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If Staal will waive his NMC PIT MIN WPG

Created by: Caniac2000
Initial Creation Date: Feb 13, 2020
Published: Feb 13 at 6:35 am
Team: 2019-20 Carolina Hurricanes
Team Explanation
The J Staal trade.... the pick may be on the wrong side, I don't watch a lot of PIT admittedly, but analytically, Staal is the better player, sot the pick's from Pittsburgh.... idk about the value though?
Trades
CAR
  1. Bjugstad, Nick
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Staal, Jordan
CAR
  1. Staal, Eric ($1,125,000 retained)
  2. Brodin, Jonas ($2,000,000 retained)
MIN
  1. Bean, Jake
  2. Suzuki, Ryan
  3. 2020 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (BUF)
  5. 2020 2nd round pick (NYR)
CAR
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Edmundson, Joel
Buyouts
  • Patrick Marleau: $6,250,000
  • Alexander Semin: $2,333,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Justin Faulk: $683,333 (14%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
CAR
CAR
CAR
WPG
CAR
CAR
TOR
2021
CAR
CAR
PIT
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
STL
2022
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$73,947,333$0$4,507,500$7,552,667
Left WingCenterRight Wing
CAR
Svechnikov, Andrei
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
CAR
Aho, Sebastian
$8,454,000
C, LW
UFA - 5
CAR
Teräväinen, Teuvo
$5,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
CAR
Niederreiter, Nino
$5,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
CAR
Haula, Erik
$2,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
CAR
Necas, Martin
$863,333
C, RW
RFA - 3
CAR
Dzingel, Ryan
$3,375,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 2
MIN
Staal, Eric
$2,125,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
Bjugstad, Nick
$4,100,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
CAR
Foegele, Warren
$746,667
LW
RFA - 1
CAR
Wallmark, Lucas
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
CAR
Williams, Justin
$700,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
CAR
Slavin, Jaccob
$5,300,000
LD
UFA - 6
CAR
van Riemsdyk, Trevor
$2,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
CAR
Reimer, James
$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
CAR
Gardiner, Jake
$4,050,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
CAR
Pesce, Brett
$4,025,000
RD
UFA - 5
CAR
Mrázek, Petr
$3,125,000
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
$2,166,667
LD
UFA - 2
CAR
Fleury, Haydn
$850,000
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
CAR
McGinn, Brock
$2,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
CAR
Martinook, Jordan
$2,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
CAR
Hamilton, Dougie
$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Feb 13 at 6:44
#1
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the penguins aren't taking Staal at 6 million. They don't have the cap space to do that. You'd have to retain a fair chunk of that.
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Feb 13 at 7:15
#2
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"If Staal waives his NMC"

Convo be like:

"Hey Eric, waive your NMC and come play for us. We'll even ask your brother to waive his NMC so we can trade him away"

LOL great logic.
Feb 13 at 7:33
#3
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Quoting: pharrow
the penguins aren't taking Staal at 6 million. They don't have the cap space to do that. You'd have to retain a fair chunk of that.


That's why Bjugstad is in the deal bud, it's a 1.1 mil increase, no rention needed. Staal gives them an upgrade at 3C
Feb 13 at 7:33
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MNBassman
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
"If Staal waives his NMC"

Convo be like:

"Hey Eric, waive your NMC and come play for us. We'll even ask your brother to waive his NMC so we can trade him away"

LOL great logic.


Eric has a modified no trade clause and I doubt Carolina is on it. It would be odd if they went this route, but they could pull it off if they kept their cards hidden...
Feb 13 at 7:34
#5
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Quoting: MNBassman
Eric has a modified no trade clause and I doubt Carolina is on it. It would be odd if they went this route, but they could pull it off if they kept their cards hidden...


I assume Minnesota would be okay with a package like that for Brodin and the good staal?
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Feb 13 at 7:34
#6
MNBassman
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As for the Wild trade...the Wild would sign that deal before the ink dried!
Feb 13 at 8:38
#7
Hockey Super Genius
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There is no way the pens can take that 6m for next yr + ... Now w/ Zucker we will prob have to move out like 3-5m just to sign RFAs
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Feb 13 at 8:50
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Quoting: Sidstick87
There is no way the pens can take that 6m for next yr + ... Now w/ Zucker we will prob have to move out like 3-5m just to sign RFAs


That's why Bjugstad's 4.9 is in the trade, it's not a big increase, and it's only 1.1 extra.....
Feb 13 at 9:13
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IgorKutchakokov
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Quoting: Caniac2000
That's why Bjugstad is in the deal bud, it's a 1.1 mil increase, no rention needed. Staal gives them an upgrade at 3C


Wrong - It's a 1.9 million increase friend. Staal is signed through 2023 vs. Bjugstad 2021 guy. No chance Pens acquire Staal bud
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Feb 13 at 9:14
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IgorKutchakokov
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Quoting: Caniac2000
That's why Bjugstad's 4.9 is in the trade, it's not a big increase, and it's only 1.1 extra.....


4.9... it's literally in your roster at 4.1 lmfao
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Feb 13 at 9:14
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Quoting: Caniac2000
That's why Bjugstad is in the deal bud, it's a 1.1 mil increase, no rention needed. Staal gives them an upgrade at 3C


There is just all kinds of wrong with that. 6 - 4.1 = 1.9, not 1.1
Staal's contract is 2 years longer than Bjugstad's so the $1.9M difference only lasts for 1 year and 2 months while the $6M hit affects the Pens for two more years.

Staal is solid at faceoffs and good defensively, but non offensive and he is not worth $6M. Bjugstad's contract does not offset that.

Bjugstad, 2nd, 4th for J.Staal w/$1.5M retained.
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Feb 13 at 9:18
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Quoting: Yojimbo
There is just all kinds of wrong with that. 6 - 4.1 = 1.9, not 1.1
Staal's contract is 2 years longer than Bjugstad's so the $1.9M difference only lasts for 1 year and 2 months while the $6M hit affects the Pens for two more years.

Staal is solid at faceoffs and good defensively, but non offensive and he is not worth $6M. Bjugstad's contract does not offset that.

Bjugstad, 2nd, 4th for J.Staal w/$1.5M retained.


Carolina aren't retaining. Instant no. JJ 50% retained, Bjugstad 2nd and 3rd for Staal
Feb 13 at 9:19
#13
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Quoting: IgorKutchakokov
4.9... it's literally in your roster at 4.1 lmfao


Meh, I pressed the wrong button
Feb 13 at 9:20
#14
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Quoting: IgorKutchakokov
Wrong - It's a 1.9 million increase friend. Staal is signed through 2023 vs. Bjugstad 2021 guy. No chance Pens acquire Staal bud


Ah, my friend. Staal was a penguin, and Bjugstad has been invisible as a 3C per many pens fans. Staal gives you attribued that no one else on Pittsburgh does guy, you'd be surprised bud.
Feb 13 at 9:21
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Meh, I pressed the wrong button


3 times...
Feb 13 at 9:22
#16
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Carolina aren't retaining. Instant no. JJ 50% retained, Bjugstad 2nd and 3rd for Staal


You don't have any idea how finances work do you? You are that great at simple math so I assume its a no.
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Feb 13 at 9:26
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Ah, my friend. Staal was a penguin, and Bjugstad has been invisible as a 3C per many pens fans. Staal gives you attribued that no one else on Pittsburgh does guy, you'd be surprised bud.


As Staal was already a Penguin, as you pointed out, how would Penguin fans be surprised by what he brings?

In a 6 - 4.1 = 1.1 surprised kind of way?
Or in a everyone saying no to Bjugstad, 2nd for Staal, so you make it Bjugstad, 2nd, 3rd, Johnson 50% ret for Staal, surprised kind of way?
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Feb 13 at 10:02
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No way the pens can afford Staals 6 million in year 3 and 4. Nor can they afford his 6 million on top of 1.625 million of JJ’s retained salary in years 3 and 4. You really don’t understand how the cap works, bud. But if the pens could get away with being over the cap, I’d be all for it 😂
Feb 13 at 10:04
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Quoting: Yojimbo
3 times...


I just want to know what he is using that has the 9 next to the 1 lol.
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Feb 13 at 10:05
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Quoting: Caniac2000
That's why Bjugstad is in the deal bud, it's a 1.1 mil increase, no rention needed. Staal gives them an upgrade at 3C


new math

anyway there are several people here trying to explain to you how math works so I'm just going to let this be.
Feb 13 at 10:06
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Quoting: Pensfan89
No way the pens can afford Staals 6 million in year 3 and 4. Nor can they afford his 6 million on top of 1.625 million of JJ’s retained salary in years 3 and 4. You really don’t understand how the cap works, bud. But if the pens could get away with being over the cap, I’d be all for it 😂


Remembering that the cap is gonna go up, Pittsburgh are gonna lost Murray to Seattle, there's plenty of cap there. I know how the cap works, I live on this site, and they could afford it.... it's be tight, but by that point, even Geno may be gone
Feb 13 at 10:07
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Quoting: pharrow
new math

anyway there are several people here trying to explain to you how math works so I'm just going to let this be.


I know how the math works, i hit the wrong button chill the **** out
Feb 13 at 10:12
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Remembering that the cap is gonna go up, Pittsburgh are gonna lost Murray to Seattle, there's plenty of cap there. I know how the cap works, I live on this site, and they could afford it.... it's be tight, but by that point, even Geno may be gone


Except before Staals contract ends, McCann, Kahun, Simon, Jarry, Marino, Malkin, Letang, DeSmith, Blueger will need new contracts and most will get a raise, if not a significant raise. Not to mention the pens will then need to get a 3rd pair RHD cause Ruhwedel isn’t good enough to play in an everyday capacity.
Feb 13 at 10:23
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Quoting: Caniac2000
I know how the math works, i hit the wrong button chill the **** out


if you are still arguing that the penguins can afford this, they you really don't.
They can't man. I'm just laying out the facts here. They don't have 6 million to drop on a center. Hell they probably need to dump Jugs for cap relief to be honest. We'll know come the off season when they have to sign those RFAs.
Feb 13 at 10:48
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Quoting: Caniac2000
I know how the math works, i hit the wrong button chill the **** out


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