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Trade Rielly to the Rangers

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 13, 2020
Published: Feb. 13, 2020
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The Leafs and Rangers could be a good fit for a massive trade.

If Toronto can resign Muzzin a reasonable contract (6x5 or better) I think they ‘could’ afford to trade Rielly in the right deal. They likely sign Dermott cheap and Sandin is a stud already. The big four and top prospects aren’t going anywhere so unless Dubas is going to patch work this group by using other young assets for older vets, using Rielly as a trade chip could be the best way to get better.

Why is Rielly expendable?

-He’s injured.
-Two years (after this year) left til UFA
-Likely can’t afford his next contract
-He’s not ‘the best’ defensive defender
-He has lots of trade value
-keeping Muzzin ,Sandin and Dermott on the left is a solid left side D.

The backend next year could look like;

Muzzin 6 Holl 2
Sandin 1 Lilypad 1
Dermott 2 ???

Ceci and Barrie walk

So if the leafs trade a guy like Rielly what should they be looking for in return?

If possible you need to trade with a team that has a need for Rielly at LD and space (cap and holes) for young, good top 9 forwards like Kapanen or Johnsson. That team would also need to have good young RD and a young potential number one goalie that can play now.

Enter the Rangers.

The Rangers are not rebuilding but they are likely selling bigger names like Kreider so they don’t likely care that Rielly wouldn’t be back this year.

The Rangers have three ‘good’ goalies. Lundqvist has one more year left after this and isn’t going anywhere. They have made Georgiev available (as a potential number one) as they prefer Shesterkin. But if Georgiev is viewed internally as a number one maybe they’d move Shesterkin in the right deal.

The Rangers D core;

Skjei Trouba
Lindgren DeAngelo
Staal Fox
Hajek
Top prospects
Miller LD and Lundqvist RD

Three good RHD. Three not so good LHD. Staal is an anchor to the teams cap adding negative value to the team on ice. Skjei is young enough to improve but he looks like just a guy who’s likely overpaid. Lindgren is young but doesn’t look to have much upside as a stud. The prospects are likely still a few years away. (Maybe a gem somewhere in the system but I don’t know).

With the three righties, they have Trouba who just signed a huge contract. Leafs likely wouldn’t want him (at that money). DeAngelo has finally hit his stride and looks to be a solid Top 4 Pp guy that can produce. He’s also going to get paid this summer. And Fox, who’s the youngest of the three (21). Not as offensive as Tony but could be a decent pts guy. Looks like he’s doing better defensively. Lots of upside but also not a slam dunk. He’s in his first year of his three year ELC and he’s showing promise. This would be the player Toronto would likely ask for.

More pieces could be added to this trade that don’t include Toronto’s top 4 fwds or top prospects. The Rangers are looking for younger upgrades at Fwd but likely not prospects. They want to compete as soon as next year.

The Trade Proposal;

Rielly
Johnsson
Kapanen

Fox
Shesterkin
Kreider

Rangers top 4 next year;
Rielly Trouba.
Skjei DeAngelo

Kapanen and Johnsson likely play in the top 6 and are upgrades on most of their non-star forwards (Panarin Zib...). They are also cost controlled for a few years. Woll gives the Rangers a potential starter that’s a few years away.

Leafs Top 6 next year;
Muzzin Holl
Sandin Fox
Dermott Lilypad

Shesterkin would help now and could give the Leafs the flexibility to trade Anderson in the off-season. Kreider helps this year and likely walks in the summer.

This kind of trade could really help both teams. Fox could be a stud. And Shesterkin could be a Stud. But neither are a slam dunk to be worth just Rielly. and Johnsson are in their primes as a solid middle 6 players that could be even better higher in the lineup.
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:03 a.m.
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So whats the plan when Fox refuses to play?
Also that trade is horrible for NYR
Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:05 a.m.
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NO THX
Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:06 a.m.
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Stop trading Rielly.. the only time they would trade Rielly would be for either one of Jones or Parayko. And I dont see the other team doing those deals. One injury riddled season and everybody forgets his last season. He is a monster. Also Rangers are not trading Shestyorkin or Fox.
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:08 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
NO THX


Both teams say no. Somehow this is bad both ways.
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
So whats the plan when Fox refuses to play?


Suspended without pay till his career is over... I would say he plays.
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:08 a.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Stop trading Rielly.. the only time they would trade Rielly would be for either one of Jones or Parayko. And I dont see the other team doing those deals. One injury riddled season and everybody forgets his last season. He is a monster. Also Rangers are not trading Shestyorkin or Fox.


Exactly. A team would have to severely overpay to get Shestyorkin
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:09 a.m.
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Too bad Fox isn't available, And from accounts being reported. Gorton is trying to resign Kreider.
Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:14 a.m.
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Yeah the Leafs would have to give up much more than this.
Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:14 a.m.
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This post would make a lot more sense if it showed the Rangers lineup next season... Rangers IMO just can't take on all that cap. They need the good Fox and Sheskerin on their ELCs.
Rangers don't do the trade just for long term benefit of those two players...plus the prospect(s) they hope to get from a Kreider trade in the next two weeks.

"So whats the plan when Fox refuses to play?" Maybe the more logical question is what is Fox's plan of employment when he is suspended from the NHL for refusing to fulfill his contractual obligations.
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:17 a.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Both teams say no. Somehow this is bad both ways.

Suspended without pay till his career is over... I would say he plays.


That bad for both teams thing happens a lot here at CapFriendly
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:18 a.m.
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Im open to trading Rielly for a equal value RHD for the reasons you described and i would do the deal you proposed here, but i don't think the Rangers touch this deal with a ten foot pole.
Fox is on an entry level deal for another 2 years and has shown every sign of being a great defenseman. After two years Rielly could walk on them. Shesterkin has immense value right now with his resume and how he has performed in his NHL games so far. He is also on an entry level deal. Rielly is a great defenseman but he doesn't come close to the value that the younger more cost controlled high potential Shesterkin and Fox.

They are likely to get a good hall from trading Krieder. A first and possibly a good prospect. No way they include him as a throw in here.
Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:19 a.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Both teams say no. Somehow this is bad both ways.

Suspended without pay till his career is over... I would say he plays.


No, this is a bad trade for the Rangers and a fine trade for Toronto. Adam Fox at his cap hit>Morgan Rielly (who is below average defensively) at his
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:27 a.m.
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You rather mover your stud defenseman than moving a high price forward. That thinking will never bring the Leafs closer to a Championship. Watch the Hawks championship in ‘15. Could never happen without inhuman performance of DUNCAN KEITH. Basically won with four defensemen.
Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Both teams say no. Somehow this is bad both ways.

I would make this trade if i was the leafs. Just about guaranteed stability in net and the left and right side of defense for years to come. Along with a year or two of very cheap player contributing players to use capspace elsewhere. I love Rielly but id take this deal. I dont think the Rangers would even think about it though.
Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
So whats the plan when Fox refuses to play?
Also that trade is horrible for NYR


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NO THX


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Yeah the Leafs would have to give up much more than this.


Quoting: Chigurrhh
No, this is a bad trade for the Rangers and a fine trade for Toronto. Adam Fox at his cap hit>Morgan Rielly (who is below average defensively) at his


This trade is obviously horrendous for the Maple Leafs.

Fox might turn into a Rielly quality defender one day.
Shesterkin has played 7 NHL games.
Kreider is a UFA.
Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:41 a.m.
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This trade is obviously horrendous for the Maple Leafs.

This is incredibly obvious.


Leafs get the best forward in the deal, for an all in playoff run. A very promising young top 4 RHD and a rookie goalie setting records. Am I missong something?
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Quoting: drewjenkins
This trade is obviously horrendous for the Maple Leafs.

Fox might turn into a Rielly quality defender one day.
Shesterkin has played 7 NHL games.
Kreider is a UFA.


**Disclaimer this trade will never happen.**

This is not horrendous for the leafs. Obviously this trade requires some faith from the leafs that both Fox and Shesterkin meet expectations. Fox has been great this season he is 21 years old. Hes not an 18 or 19 year old kid. He has had a prominent role and has thrived. He is already a very solid NHL player. Shesterkin, while only having 7 NHL games played, has exceptional numbers for those 7 games. He is a young 24 and has dominated everywhere he has played. He is a good bet at being a high quality starting goaltender for the foreseeable future. I would do this trade even if they didnt include Kreider. The value they provide while both having entry level years left would be invaluable. Rangers decline for all these reasons. They are much better off trading Georgiev (they should just buy out Lundqvist but wont), and trading DeAngelo if they need to make room in goal and the right side of defense.
Feb. 13, 2020 at 10:52 a.m.
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if I were the Rangers I wouldn’t do it because they aren’t going to be legitimate cup contenders for a bit. By then Shesterkin and Fox will be further along in their development. Just in time for the resurgence. Rielly, the main piece going to NY, will be a UFA by then.
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 11:00 a.m.
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STOP WITH THIS NONSENSE!!!!!!!!
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Leafs get the best forward in the deal, for an all in playoff run. A very promising young top 4 RHD and a rookie goalie setting records. Am I missong something?


I think so ... Toronto is giving up:

1) The best player in the deal (Morgan Rielly) who was 4th in Norris voting last year ... and is signed to a great contract for 3 years.
2) Two good young forwards on great 3/4 year contracts (both averaging roughly 50 points per 82 games since their rookie season last year).
3) A solid goaltending prospect (obviously not as promising Shesterkin but still solid).

For:

1) A UFA winger
2) A rookie defensemen
3) A goalie with 7 NHL games.

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Rielly will be back for the playoffs.

So why would Toronto trade their #1 defensemen + 4th best winger + 5th best winger for "an all in playoff run".

Shesterkin probably won't even play this year if he's stuck behind Andersen and Campbell ... how does that help with a playoff run?
Feb. 13, 2020 at 11:12 a.m.
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First off the goalie situation in TO has been solved, Freddie is the starter and Campbell the back up (who has as much potential to be a starter as Georgiev) and secondly this makes no sense from either side, TO sends 2 40/50 pt wingers a legit Top Pairing LHD (on a more than reasonable contract) for what 25 games of Krieder (a 40/50 pt winger) a potential top pair RHD and a goalie they don't really need
Feb. 13, 2020 at 11:15 a.m.
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Quoting: drewjenkins
I think so ... Toronto is giving up:

1) The best player in the deal (Morgan Rielly) who was 4th in Norris voting last year ... and is signed to a great contract for 3 years.
2) Two good young forwards on great 3/4 year contracts (both averaging roughly 50 points per 82 games since their rookie season last year).
3) A solid goaltending prospect (obviously not as promising Shesterkin but still solid).

For:

1) A UFA winger
2) A rookie defensemen
3) A goalie with 7 NHL games.

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Rielly will be back for the playoffs.

So why would Toronto trade their #1 defensemen + 4th best winger + 5th best winger for "an all in playoff run".

Shesterkin probably won't even play this year if he's stuck behind Andersen and Campbell ... how does that help with a playoff run?


You use the Term rookie defenseman and goalie with 7 NHL games as if they havent both been excellent this year.

This trade won't happen at all but if it were to happen it should be an offseason trade and krieder wouldn't be involved.
Feb. 13, 2020 at 11:17 a.m.
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Quoting: tomato43
**Disclaimer this trade will never happen.**

This is not horrendous for the leafs. Obviously this trade requires some faith from the leafs that both Fox and Shesterkin meet expectations. Fox has been great this season he is 21 years old. Hes not an 18 or 19 year old kid. He has had a prominent role and has thrived. He is already a very solid NHL player. Shesterkin, while only having 7 NHL games played, has exceptional numbers for those 7 games. He is a young 24 and has dominated everywhere he has played. He is a good bet at being a high quality starting goaltender for the foreseeable future. I would do this trade even if they didnt include Kreider. The value they provide while both having entry level years left would be invaluable. Rangers decline for all these reasons. They are much better off trading Georgiev (they should just buy out Lundqvist but wont), and trading DeAngelo if they need to make room in goal and the right side of defense.


Requires lots and lots of faith, this is the type of trade that would happen if TO was rebuilding and NYR was contending. Also NYR would have to pay a price for all that faith, Krieder is no better than either of the wingers sent over, this trade makes TO significantly worse overall while moving NYR significantly closer to contending
Feb. 13, 2020 at 11:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Boomer125
First off the goalie situation in TO has been solved, Freddie is the starter and Campbell the back up (who has as much potential to be a starter as Georgiev) and secondly this makes no sense from either side, TO sends 2 40/50 pt wingers a legit Top Pairing LHD (on a more than reasonable contract) for what 25 games of Krieder (a 40/50 pt winger) a potential top pair RHD and a goalie they don't really need


Look into the future a year or so and all these circumstances change. Having a 25 year old potential star goalie over a 32 regressing goalie would be quite the upgrade.
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 11:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Boomer125
Requires lots and lots of faith, this is the type of trade that would happen if TO was rebuilding and NYR was contending. Also NYR would have to pay a price for all that faith, Krieder is no better than either of the wingers sent over, this trade makes TO significantly worse overall while moving NYR significantly closer to contending


Id argue it doesn't require a lot of faith at all. Fox is already thriving and Shesterkin has more than lived up to expectation. He is not a kid. He has dominated everywhere he has played. Even if he regresses from domination to only above average goalie this trade would be fine. Also i think this trade if it were to happen would happen in the offseason and not before the deadline. Krieder wouldn't be invloved in that scenario. Kreider is obviously currently better than Johnsson and Kapanen. I wouldn't rather have him over either of them since he will be a UFA and is older but this year he is most definitely better than both.
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Feb. 13, 2020 at 11:29 a.m.
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Look into the future a year or so and all these circumstances change. Having a 25 year old potential star goalie over a 32 regressing goalie would be quite the upgrade.


You are forgetting one key point the Leafs are not looking for future players, they are looking for players today proven players , can you honestly say that getting younger on the blueline and in goal today helps today? No it does not, Krieder makes no more impact on the forward group than either Kapenen or Johnsson, Fox (great young D) solves absolutely nothing on the blue line, Shesterkin is a luxury for the Leafs not a need. Sure Leafs have freed up cap space but the cap situation is not all that bad nor is it really a concern other than media blah blah blah. The same media and fans that said they can never sign all 3 but they did, the same media that said you can't have 3 10 million dollar players and be successful but yet here we are being successful, the same media that says they have to trade a core 4 for D help and they won't , they'll get the D help they need by trading away a complimentary player (a 8/6 winger on a really good contract, Kapenen) for a RHD in the mold of Muzzins, whether it Demelo, Manson , Murphy etc. The D situation is less about any actual player coming to save the day and more of a figuring out this new style of possession hang onto the puck game
 
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