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Lafreniere Georgiev etc

Created by: csick
Initial Creation Date: Feb 14, 2020
Published: Feb 14, 2020 at 12:27
Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Georgiev, Alexandar5$4,000,000
Balcers, Rūdolfs2$900,000
Beaudin, J.C.2$900,000
Brown, Connor4$4,000,000
Chlapik, Filip2$1,000,000
Daccord, Joey2$1,000,000
Duclair, Anthony5$4,500,000
Jaros, Christian1$900,000
Tierney, Chris1$3,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Borowiecki, Mark1$1,500,000
DeMelo, Dylan3$3,500,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lafreniere, Alexis3$925,000
Trades
OTT
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [RFA Rights]
NYR
  1. Abramov, Vitaly
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (DAL)
OTT
  1. Zboril, Jakub [RFA Rights]
  2. Cehlárik, Peter [RFA Rights]
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
3rd becomes 2nd if Pageau re-signs
BOS
    Pageau
    OTT
    1. True, Alex
    2. 2020 3rd round pick (PHI)
    SJS
    1. Nilsson, Anders
    2. Reilly, Mike
    OTT
    1. 2020 1st round pick (WSH)
    WSH
    1. 2020 2nd round pick (OTT)
    2. 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
    Draft day to move up into the 1st round
    Buyouts
    • Dion Phaneuf: $1,354,167
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2020
    OTT
    SJS
    WSH
    CBJ
    OTT
    PHI
    OTT
    TBL
    SJS
    STL
    OTT
    2021
    OTT
    OTT
    CBJ
    SJS
    OTT
    BOS
    OTT
    OTT
    2022
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$84,000,000$66,917,499$0$4,530,000$17,082,501
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Lafreniere, Alexis
    $925,000
    OTT
    Brown, Logan
    $863,333
    C
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Batherson, Drake
    $736,666
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Tkachuk, Brady
    $925,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Norris, Joshua
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    OTT
    Brown, Connor
    $4,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    OTT
    Duclair, Anthony
    $4,500,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Tierney, Chris
    $3,500,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    OTT
    White, Colin
    $4,750,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 5
    OTT
    Balcers, Rūdolfs
    $900,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Anisimov, Artem
    $4,550,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    OTT
    Ryan, Bobby
    $7,250,000
    RW, LW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    OTT
    Ryan, Bobby
    $1,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    OTT
    Chabot, Thomas
    $8,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 8
    OTT
    Zaitsev, Nikita
    $4,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Georgiev, Alexandar
    $4,000,000
    G
    RFA - 2
    OTT
    Brännström, Erik
    $863,333
    RD
    RFA - 2
    OTT
    Wolanin, Christian
    $900,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Högberg, Marcus
    $700,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Borowiecki, Mark
    $1,500,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    OTT
    DeMelo, Dylan
    $3,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    OTT
    Chlapik, Filip
    $1,000,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    OTT
    Gáborík, Marián
    $4,875,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    OTT
    Jaros, Christian
    $900,000
    RD
    RFA - 1

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    Feb 14, 2020 at 12:36
    #1
    GM CRIME DAWG
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    BOS might listen to that trade. Suggest only one pick included (make it a non-cond 2nd)?
    Be hard to re-sign JGP with UFA Krug and RFA Debrusk needing new deals.
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 12:43
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    The Rangers want a young roster forward for Georgiev. Realistically, Ottawa doesn't really have that. You might be able to convince them with Drake Batherson and a pick. But even that is questionable.

    I also don't understand why you've paid Georgiev that much and for that long. The track record of young backup goalies getting traded and working out as starters doesn't suggest Georgiev is worth that much.
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 12:55
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    The Rangers want a young roster forward for Georgiev. Realistically, Ottawa doesn't really have that. You might be able to convince them with Drake Batherson and a pick. But even that is questionable.

    I also don't understand why you've paid Georgiev that much and for that long. The track record of young backup goalies getting traded and working out as starters doesn't suggest Georgiev is worth that much.


    Wait... Batherson AND a pick for Georgiev? That's madness.
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 12:56
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    The Rangers want a young roster forward for Georgiev. Realistically, Ottawa doesn't really have that. You might be able to convince them with Drake Batherson and a pick. But even that is questionable.

    I also don't understand why you've paid Georgiev that much and for that long. The track record of young backup goalies getting traded and working out as starters doesn't suggest Georgiev is worth that much.


    Batherson alone is more than enough for Georgiev
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 12:57
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    Quoting: therealgregb569
    Batherson alone is more than enough for Georgiev


    Yes and that's an understatement.
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 12:58
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    Wait... Batherson AND a pick for Georgiev? That's madness.


    Quoting: therealgregb569
    Batherson alone is more than enough for Georgiev


    Not really. Batherson isn't as experienced as the Rangers are looking for. You've gotta remember that Ottawa would have to outbid other teams for Georgiev if they wanted him. Other teams might offer a more experienced young player for him. Sens gotta sweeten the pot a little bit
    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:08
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    Not really. Batherson isn't as experienced as the Rangers are looking for. You've gotta remember that Ottawa would have to outbid other teams for Georgiev if they wanted him. Other teams might offer a more experienced young player for him. Sens gotta sweeten the pot a little bit


    Find me one person who supports your argument. Batherson has the ability to become a 60+ point 1st line guy. Georgiev is average at best and goalies are extremely risky. Also, Rangers have no leverage with Shesterkin in the NHL now. Not to mention you said the sens should be adding a pick to the trade. Regardless of your argument, this is obviously a terrible trade for Ottawa no matter how you look at it.
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:14
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    Find me one person who supports your argument. Batherson has the ability to become a 60+ point 1st line guy. Georgiev is average at best and goalies are extremely risky. Also, Rangers have no leverage with Shesterkin in the NHL now. Not to mention you said the sens should be adding a pick to the trade. Regardless of your argument, this is obviously a terrible trade for Ottawa no matter how you look at it.


    That's your opinion on Batherson. But currently he has less than 40 games of experience and the Rangers have already said they want a young experienced roster player for Georgiev. Gotta think about the other teams needs too and not just yours. Rangers would likely want more for that reason
    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:15
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    Not really. Batherson isn't as experienced as the Rangers are looking for. You've gotta remember that Ottawa would have to outbid other teams for Georgiev if they wanted him. Other teams might offer a more experienced young player for him. Sens gotta sweeten the pot a little bit


    a 2nd or 2 2nd rounders is enough. Abramov and a 2nd is more than enough. Batherson is our top prospect, you want Ottawa to trade him for a goalie who a team is desperately trying to trade before he gets offersheeted in the summer for a 2nd rounder in which the Rangers wont be able to match? Cool
    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:17
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    a 2nd or 2 2nd rounders is enough. Abramov and a 2nd is more than enough. Batherson is our top prospect, you want Ottawa to trade him for a goalie who a team is desperately trying to trade before he gets offersheeted in the summer for a 2nd rounder in which the Rangers wont be able to match? Cool


    Read what I said. I never said anything about the value. I said that New York likely doesn't make the deal because they've already come out and said what they want for Georgiev. Which is a young experienced roster player. Abramov isn't that. It's not just about what your team wants to give up. It has to make sense for the other team and that offer just doesn't make sense for the Rangers.
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:24
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    Read what I said. I never said anything about the value. I said that New York likely doesn't make the deal because they've already come out and said what they want for Georgiev. Which is a young experienced roster player. Abramov isn't that. It's not just about what your team wants to give up. It has to make sense for the other team and that offer just doesn't make sense for the Rangers.


    What youre saying is you basically want someone like Kapanen or Labanc. Toronto doesn't need a goalie anymore and San Jose would probably ask for more than Georgiev for Labanc
    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:25
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    That's your opinion on Batherson. But currently he has less than 40 games of experience and the Rangers have already said they want a young experienced roster player for Georgiev. Gotta think about the other teams needs too and not just yours. Rangers would likely want more for that reason


    Batherson could've been playing in the NHL for a while now but the sens aren't good and they didn't want to stall his development. He's the Sens best prospect. Try to sell this trade to a rebuilding team...

    For the record, I don't want Georgiev.
    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:25
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    Read what I said. I never said anything about the value. I said that New York likely doesn't make the deal because they've already come out and said what they want for Georgiev. Which is a young experienced roster player. Abramov isn't that. It's not just about what your team wants to give up. It has to make sense for the other team and that offer just doesn't make sense for the Rangers.


    agreed not to mention it's much easier to find forward prospects than it is to find good young goalies like georgiev. Comparing his stats to carter hart he has slightly higher SV pct and is only 2 years older if I'm correct. Ottawa is a good team for georgiev to go to if they are willing to pay his price which is higher than that offer.
    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:26
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    What youre saying is you basically want someone like Kapanen or Labanc. Toronto doesn't need a goalie anymore and San Jose would probably ask for more than Georgiev for Labanc


    I never mentioned any names actually. I only said what New York has said they were looking for.

    Seriously, learn to read before you comment back.
    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:28
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    Batherson could've been playing in the NHL for a while now but the sens aren't good and they didn't want to stall his development. He's the Sens best prospect. Try to sell this trade to a rebuilding team...

    For the record, I don't want Georgiev.


    he has 8pts in 18 games not even playing with talented guys plus some of those games were in the beginning of the season when he was still getting his feet wet. hes been great since he got called up. I think his floor is Kapanen and his ceiling is a 1st line winger
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:30
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    I never mentioned any names actually. I only said what New York has said they were looking for.

    Seriously, learn to read before you comment back.


    Let me put you in our shoes. Let's say you're back in the 2015-16 season, and I told you Nylander and a pick for Grubauer. Not great eh? I get your point with what the Rangers are looking for, but...
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:32
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    Let me put you in our shoes. Let's say you're back in the 2015-16 season, and I told you Nylander and a pick for Grubauer. Not great eh? I get your point with what the Rangers are looking for, but...


    I assume you're a Leafs fan.
    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:33
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    Batherson could've been playing in the NHL for a while now but the sens aren't good and they didn't want to stall his development. He's the Sens best prospect. Try to sell this trade to a rebuilding team...

    For the record, I don't want Georgiev.


    You Sens fans need to learn how to read properly..

    I never said that Ottawa should make that deal. I said it's more likely that's what the Rangers would be looking for. You've gotta convince the other team that your offer is the best, and Abramov and a 2nd doesn't do anything for the Rangers who are nearing the end of their rebuild.

    Convince Ottawa to do it? The Rangers would most likely point out how more important goaltending is than a future middle 6 forward. Again, I'm not saying the Sens should do that. But that's the kinda deal it would take. Otherwise the Rangers hold on to Georgiev and move him in the summer when more teams need a goalie and the market opens up to maximize the return. A prospect and a pick do nothing for the Rangers to convince them it's the best for their team.
    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:37
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    You Sens fans need to learn how to read properly..

    I never said that Ottawa should make that deal. I said it's more likely that's what the Rangers would be looking for. You've gotta convince the other team that your offer is the best, and Abramov and a 2nd doesn't do anything for the Rangers who are nearing the end of their rebuild.

    Convince Ottawa to do it? The Rangers would most likely point out how more important goaltending is than a future middle 6 forward. Again, I'm not saying the Sens should do that. But that's the kinda deal it would take. Otherwise the Rangers hold on to Georgiev and move him in the summer when more teams need a goalie and the market opens up to maximize the return. A prospect and a pick do nothing for the Rangers to convince them it's the best for their team.


    If you're suggesting that trade, expect the heat no matter what lol. I acknowledged your argument earlier. I just honestly can't see how that's not a MASSIVE overpayment on the sens end.
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    Feb 14, 2020 at 1:55
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    georgiev will cost brannstrom lol
    Feb 14, 2020 at 2:07
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    Let me put you in our shoes. Let's say you're back in the 2015-16 season, and I told you Nylander and a pick for Grubauer. Not great eh? I get your point with what the Rangers are looking for, but...


    Agreed. Georgiev is basically Grubauer before he got traded or even Bishop
    Feb 14, 2020 at 2:08
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    You Sens fans need to learn how to read properly..

    I never said that Ottawa should make that deal. I said it's more likely that's what the Rangers would be looking for. You've gotta convince the other team that your offer is the best, and Abramov and a 2nd doesn't do anything for the Rangers who are nearing the end of their rebuild.

    Convince Ottawa to do it? The Rangers would most likely point out how more important goaltending is than a future middle 6 forward. Again, I'm not saying the Sens should do that. But that's the kinda deal it would take. Otherwise the Rangers hold on to Georgiev and move him in the summer when more teams need a goalie and the market opens up to maximize the return. A prospect and a pick do nothing for the Rangers to convince them it's the best for their team.


    Its all good, id offersheet Georgiev for 3 years at 4 mill and only have to give up a 2nd rounder. No one is going to overpay
    Feb 14, 2020 at 2:09
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    If you're suggesting that trade, expect the heat no matter what lol. I acknowledged your argument earlier. I just honestly can't see how that's not a MASSIVE overpayment on the sens end.


    Batherson is our best prospect lol. Id give him up for Vasi or Gibson but no one besides that. And I wouldn't add anything else of substance
    Feb 14, 2020 at 2:13
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    Its all good, id offersheet Georgiev for 3 years at 4 mill and only have to give up a 2nd rounder. No one is going to overpay


    LOL.. you just did overpay with that offersheet.
    Feb 14, 2020 at 2:19
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    I think the Sens are better off waiting until draft day before deciding because they have a shot at drafting Yaroslav Askarov.
     
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