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All out fantasy Overhaul before TDL

Created by: The_Architect
Initial Creation Date: Feb 13, 2020
Published: Feb 15 at 3:24 pm
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Trades
MTL
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Tatar, Tomas
MTL
  1. 2020 1st round pick (CGY)
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (CGY)
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Gallagher, Brendan
MTL
  1. Byram, Bowen
COL
  1. Domi, Max
MTL
  1. Glass, Cody
  2. Eakin, Cody
  3. 2021 1st round pick (VGK)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (NJD)
  5. 2022 3rd round pick (VGK)
VGK
  1. Danault, Phillip ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. Petry, Jeff ($2,750,000 retained)
MTL
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
PHI
  1. Kovalchuk, Ilya
  2. Scandella, Marco ($2,000,000 retained)
  3. Thompson, Nate
MTL
  1. Athanasiou, Andreas
DET
  1. Alzner, Karl
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
Cam Hillis
Samuel Houde
MTL
  1. Anderson, Josh
CBJ
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (CGY)
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Brodin, Jonas
MIN
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Kulak, Brett
  3. 2020 1st round pick (CGY)
  4. 2021 1st round pick (VGK)
  5. 2022 3rd round pick (VGK)
MTL
  1. Byfuglien, Dustin
Additional Details:
Free agent signing in the scenario that WPG terminates his contract. 3yrs × 7mill.
WPG
    Buyouts
    • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
    • Cody Eakin: $1,283,333
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Phillip Danault: $1,500,000 (48.65%)
    • Jeff Petry: $2,750,000 (50%)
    • Marco Scandella: $2,000,000 (100%)
    • Marco Scandella: $2,000,000 (50%)
    • Ilya Kovalchuk: $350,000 (50%)
    Buried
    • Keith Kinkaid: $675,000 ($1,750,000)
    • Matthew Peca: $225,000 ($1,300,000)
    • Dale Weise: $1,275,000 ($2,350,000)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2020
    MTL
    CHI
    MTL
    ANA
    WPG
    MTL
    MTL
    FLA
    MTL
    CHI
    2021
    MTL
    MTL
    NJD
    CHI
    MTL
    MTL
    OTT
    MTL
    2022
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    EDM
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$82,223,809$0$5,050,000-$723,809
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    MTL
    Drouin, Jonathan
    $5,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 4
    MTL
    Suzuki, Nick
    $863,333
    C, RW
    RFA - 3
    MTL
    Armia, Joel
    $2,600,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    DET
    Athanasiou, Andreas
    $3,000,000
    C, LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    VGK
    Glass, Cody
    $863,333
    C
    RFA - 3
    CBJ
    Anderson, Josh
    $1,850,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Lehkonen, Artturi
    $2,400,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    MTL
    Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
    $925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA
    MTL
    Cousins, Nick
    $1,000,000
    C, LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Poehling, Ryan
    $925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    MTL
    Weal, Jordan
    $1,400,000
    C, RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Evans, Jake
    $925,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    PHI
    Gostisbehere, Shayne
    $4,500,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    MTL
    Weber, Shea
    $7,857,143
    RD
    UFA - 7
    MTL
    Price, Carey
    $10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    MIN
    Brodin, Jonas
    $4,166,667
    LD
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Dumba, Matt
    $6,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    MTL
    Lindgren, Charlie
    $750,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Chiarot, Ben
    $3,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    WPG
    Byfuglien, Dustin
    $7,600,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Mete, Victor
    $748,333
    LD
    RFA - 1

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    Feb 15 at 3:40
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    Colorado and Vegas hang up laughing.
    Feb 15 at 3:42
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    laugh laugh You obviously have too much time on your hands?
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    Feb 15 at 3:51
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    laugh laugh You obviously have too much time on your hands?


    You're the one that said last time a 2nd rnd pick is good enough to take on Alzner, and you also stated that DET wants a 2nd rnd pick and a B prospect for AA. I'm giving 2 2nds and 2 B prospects. I might have more time in my hands but that OG kush you're consuming is clearly fogging your memory.
    Feb 15 at 4:00
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    Colorado and Vegas hang up laughing.


    COL is stacked on D prospects and VGK is stacked on C prospects. Makes these trades more digestible. You probably would make the COL trade if Domi was on course to put uo last year's numbers. Also with Kadri out, he's the ideal replacement, cause he can also play wing when Kadri gets back.

    As for the VGK trade...I don't think you know how vital Danault and Petry would be to a cup contender. And they get to have them for 2 playoff runs since they got 1 more yr of term after this season. They better resign Danault in the offseason. Go ask Hawks fans what they think of the trade that sent Danault to MTL.
    Feb 15 at 4:21
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    Quoting: The_Architect
    COL is stacked on D prospects and VGK is stacked on C prospects. Makes these trades more digestible. You probably would make the COL trade if Domi was on course to put uo last year's numbers. Also with Kadri out, he's the ideal replacement, cause he can also play wing when Kadri gets back.

    As for the VGK trade...I don't think you know how vital Danault and Petry would be to a cup contender. And they get to have them for 2 playoff runs since they got 1 more yr of term after this season. They better resign Danault in the offseason. Go ask Hawks fans what they think of the trade that sent Danault to MTL.


    Can’t tell if serious or not. If you are and that’s your logic yikes....
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    Feb 15 at 4:32
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    Quoting: coga16
    Can’t tell if serious or not. If you are and that’s your logic yikes....


    Hehe! You're talking about both trades or just the COL trade?
    Feb 15 at 4:35
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    Quoting: The_Architect
    Hehe! You're talking about both trades or just the COL trade?


    More to the avs trade bc yeah that’s a wild ride of logic putting byram into a trade bc kadri could be out only for 3 more weeks
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    Feb 15 at 4:54
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    Quoting: coga16
    More to the avs trade bc yeah that’s a wild ride of logic putting byram into a trade bc kadri could be out only for 3 more weeks


    That's not the focal point of the trade. Its just by coincidence that Kadri happens to be injured NOW and Domi can handle 2nd line C. I'm basically trading you a 25 yo RFA, playmaking, 25 goal scoring freaking pitbull that can play wing and C seamlessly, amd could be huge piece for now and at least the next 7 yrs especially for playoff runs. COL is more desperate for a cup right now, and since they have piled up on really good D prospects... I want the best 1 wink supply and demand.
    Feb 15 at 4:56
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    Quoting: The_Architect
    COL is stacked on D prospects and VGK is stacked on C prospects. Makes these trades more digestible. You probably would make the COL trade if Domi was on course to put uo last year's numbers. Also with Kadri out, he's the ideal replacement, cause he can also play wing when Kadri gets back.

    As for the VGK trade...I don't think you know how vital Danault and Petry would be to a cup contender. And they get to have them for 2 playoff runs since they got 1 more yr of term after this season. They better resign Danault in the offseason. Go ask Hawks fans what they think of the trade that sent Danault to MTL.


    Yeah the Avs would pass regardless. Last years numbers for Domi is the outlier he only has 1 other 50pt season and he is owed a contract. You don’t trade a potential #1 dman for a 50pt player. As for the Avs being stacked on d prospects, Byram will be with the Avs next year, then there is Timmins and then a big drop down to Helleson. Byram on his ELC balances out the huge contract Makar is going to get and the getting increasingly worse contract of EJ.
    Feb 15 at 5:04
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    Quoting: The_Architect
    That's not the focal point of the trade. Its just by coincidence that Kadri happens to be injured NOW and Domi can handle 2nd line C. I'm basically trading you a 25 yo RFA, playmaking, 25 goal scoring freaking pitbull that can play wing and C seamlessly, amd could be huge piece for now and at least the next 7 yrs especially for playoff runs. COL is more desperate for a cup right now, and since they have piled up on really good D prospects... I want the best 1 wink supply and demand.


    How are the Avs desperate now? MacKinnon contract is in place for 4 years, they currently have a ton of cap space, they have the prospects in place Byram, Timmins, Newhook and Bowers to slide them into the line up increasing the talent level on ELC’s while giving guys they want to keep raises (Burakovsky, Nichushkin, Graves, Makar) while cycling guys out like Nieto, PEB, maybe even Jost. Don’t going messing with that, this team also minus Burakovsky, Kadri, Donskoi, and PEB made it to game 7 of the 2nd rd. Joe did the heavy lifting when he should have, in the off season.
    Feb 15 at 5:15
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    Quoting: The_Architect
    That's not the focal point of the trade. Its just by coincidence that Kadri happens to be injured NOW and Domi can handle 2nd line C. I'm basically trading you a 25 yo RFA, playmaking, 25 goal scoring freaking pitbull that can play wing and C seamlessly, amd could be huge piece for now and at least the next 7 yrs especially for playoff runs. COL is more desperate for a cup right now, and since they have piled up on really good D prospects... I want the best 1 wink supply and demand.


    Iets simplify this, if avs did want to part with byram it’s for a bigger deal and for a considerably better player than Domi

    Avs are not desperate they are built to be a force for quite the few next seasons with no cap concerns during the mackinnon window

    Avs got through a window where landeskog rantanen were injured long term and didn’t miss a beat, also during that they had something like 5-6 other roster players hurt. They weren’t “desperate” then they aren’t now with just kadri our for a couple week a

    Sorry my friend
    Feb 15 at 5:36
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    How are the Avs desperate now? MacKinnon contract is in place for 4 years, they currently have a ton of cap space, they have the prospects in place Byram, Timmins, Newhook and Bowers to slide them into the line up increasing the talent level on ELC’s while giving guys they want to keep raises (Burakovsky, Nichushkin, Graves, Makar) while cycling guys out like Nieto, PEB, maybe even Jost. Don’t going messing with that, this team also minus Burakovsky, Kadri, Donskoi, and PEB made it to game 7 of the 2nd rd. Joe did the heavy lifting when he should have, in the off season.


    Every cup contender is desperate to get an edge on other contenders. Has nothing to do with a "window". I'm not selling you Domi as a C BTW just to be clear, I'm selling him a winger.

    Yes COL did make it to game 7 of the 2nd rnd without those guys, they also made it there without Byrem.

    It's fair to point out that last year could've been the outlier but last year his running mate Drouin was there all year. This year he missed more than 30 games. If Drouin was healthy all of this year and Domi put up another 70 points, would your argument be that Domi can only play with Drouin? In actuality (apart from Drouin missing) Domi strayed away from his game this year cause he tryed to do too much on his own cause he wanted to put up the same stats as last year in order to get a better extension. If anything it's a blessing in disguise cause any GM now has leverage in negotiations for his extension. And if they sign him at a cap friendlier contract and be puts up 65-70 pts every season for the next 7, then it's a steal.

    But I'll have to disregard the idea that he's peaked as a perennial 55 pt player only at the age of 25.
    Feb 15 at 5:37
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    The Columbus trade would be made at the draft... on at the deadline, it’s also probably a big overpay for Anderson...
    Feb 15 at 5:47
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    Quoting: coga16
    Iets simplify this, if avs did want to part with byram it’s for a bigger deal and for a considerably better player than Domi

    Avs are not desperate they are built to be a force for quite the few next seasons with no cap concerns during the mackinnon window

    Avs got through a window where landeskog rantanen were injured long term and didn’t miss a beat, also during that they had something like 5-6 other roster players hurt. They weren’t “desperate” then they aren’t now with just kadri our for a couple week a

    Sorry my friend


    If you're taking into consideration Domi's pt production as the only intangible that measures his value, then ya in that case I can't argue that you could get a player that could or has the potential to get "more" pts. But Domi brings more to the table than just pts.

    Any scoop on who the Avs are looking to acquire before TDL??
    Feb 15 at 6:00
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    Quoting: Ajp_18
    The Columbus trade would be made at the draft... on at the deadline, it’s also probably a big overpay for Anderson...


    Maybe it is. But Habs are the smallest team in the league. Desperatly need to add size and grit. If I have the assets to give up then I'll do it.
    Feb 15 at 6:03
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    Quoting: The_Architect
    If you're taking into consideration Domi's pt production as the only intangible that measures his value, then ya in that case I can't argue that you could get a player that could or has the potential to get "more" pts. But Domi brings more to the table than just pts.

    Any scoop on who the Avs are looking to acquire before TDL??


    Honestly no clue what they will do, probably as Rentals just be minor depth guys, like Fast or Melker Karlsson.

    Apparently they do not like the price for the Kreider trade talks and have moved on to other options. DNVR local guys have said that they have been in contact with the Ducks over Kase. If they do something like that, they are going to look for another smart buy, someone with RFA control or term, with good underlying numbers who project to produce more in an expanded role. They went 3 for 3 with Donskoi Burakovsky and Nichushkin this offseason based on that logic.....full confidence in the Avs analytics department when it comes to that stuff
    Feb 15 at 6:22
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    Quoting: coga16
    Honestly no clue what they will do, probably as Rentals just be minor depth guys, like Fast or Melker Karlsson.

    Apparently they do not like the price for the Kreider trade talks and have moved on to other options. DNVR local guys have said that they have been in contact with the Ducks over Kase. If they do something like that, they are going to look for another smart buy, someone with RFA control or term, with good underlying numbers who project to produce more in an expanded role. They went 3 for 3 with Donskoi Burakovsky and Nichushkin this offseason based on that logic.....full confidence in the Avs analytics department when it comes to that stuff


    Ya the price for rentals is ridiculous. But GMs pay it. There's too many "good" teams and like I said above everyone is looking for an edge. Can't beleive MIN thinks they gonna land a #1 C for Dumba.
    Feb 15 at 6:54
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    Quoting: The_Architect
    Ya the price for rentals is ridiculous. But GMs pay it. There's too many "good" teams and like I said above everyone is looking for an edge. Can't beleive MIN thinks they gonna land a #1 C for Dumba.


    teams will always find their overpayment deal but Sakic in the past just has shown he is super patient and wont buy for the sake of buying if the price isnt right for him, wont get into the Kreider Pageau and if they get on the market Hoffman Hall trade talks in depth.

    Erik Haula would be a better deadline pick up than Kreider pageau IMO when you factor in the price and role of the players
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    Feb 15 at 8:19
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    Quoting: The_Architect

    But Domi doesn’t fit a need at winger either, they don’t need another left shot winger, if anything they’d be looking at a right shot. Also he has been in the NHL 5yrs, he is a 50-55pt guy, getting that playing top line and PP1 minutes something he wouldn’t ever do in Colorado. I respect your passion but IMO you are way over valuing him.
    Feb 15 at 11:56
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    Quoting: coga16
    teams will always find their overpayment deal but Sakic in the past just has shown he is super patient and wont buy for the sake of buying if the price isnt right for him, wont get into the Kreider Pageau and if they get on the market Hoffman Hall trade talks in depth.

    Erik Haula would be a better deadline pick up than Kreider pageau IMO when you factor in the price and role of the players


    You want Haula as a C or wing?
    Feb 15 at 11:57
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    Quoting: Xqb15


    How do you like Gallagher?
    Feb 16 at 12:37
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    Quoting: The_Architect
    How do you like Gallagher?


    Nice player, but in terms of trade with the Avs not what I think they are looking for. He doesn’t kill penalties and he is small, and what’s his production look like knowing he isn’t going to get PP1 time. The Avs imo are looking for a bigger good skating bottom 6 guy that kills penalties and can take face offs and is a rental. The only way they are parting with someone like Byram is for somebody like Kyle Connor from WPG who is a slam dunk dunk 1st line guy with LOTS of term left on his deal.
    Feb 16 at 2:52
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    Nice player, but in terms of trade with the Avs not what I think they are looking for. He doesn’t kill penalties and he is small, and what’s his production look like knowing he isn’t going to get PP1 time. The Avs imo are looking for a bigger good skating bottom 6 guy that kills penalties and can take face offs and is a rental. The only way they are parting with someone like Byram is for somebody like Kyle Connor from WPG who is a slam dunk dunk 1st line guy with LOTS of term left on his deal.


    You're dumb and ignorant. Gallagher's goal production doesn't come from the powerplay. Last year he had as many even strength goals as Mackinnon.

    In the past 3 years, he's had 83 goals, 69 of which were even strength. That's 83%.
    Feb 16 at 11:05
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    Quoting: The_Architect
    You want Haula as a C or wing?


    Ideally both, fill in for Kadri short term but then move to 3C or situational draws with Compher who is better as a Winger....this would be the ideal roster come playoffs. Jost if not moved in a deal would probably see some press box time if they do add another fwd

    Landy Mack Rants
    Bura Kadri Nichushkin
    Compher Haula Donskoi
    Calvert Belle Nieto
    Feb 16 at 11:33
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    Quoting: SkatinTintin
    You're dumb and ignorant. Gallagher's goal production doesn't come from the powerplay. Last year he had as many even strength goals as Mackinnon.

    In the past 3 years, he's had 83 goals, 69 of which were even strength. That's 83%.


    And nearly 15% of his production has come from PP time. I was asked my thoughts on Gallagher in context to a trade with the Avs, and I gave it which is that he isn’t what the Avs would be looking for.
     
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