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Selling based on devils trades

Created by: arafay
Initial Creation Date: Feb 16, 2020
Published: Feb 16 at 7:48 pm
Team: 2019-20 Ottawa Senators
Team Explanation
Omg those are serious hauls

Ik these won’t actually happen but if the trades today were any indication of what’s to come, the sens are poised to get a lot
Trades
OTT
  1. Backes, David
  2. 2020 1st round pick (BOS)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Namestnikov, Vladislav
OTT
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. Ennis, Tyler
OTT
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  2. 2020 1st round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Boedker, Mikkel ($2,000,000 retained)
  2. Tierney, Chris
  3. Veronneau, Max
OTT
  1. Ho-Sang, Joshua
  2. 2020 1st round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
  2. Davidsson, Jonathan
OTT
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
  2. Hainsey, Ron
Buyouts
  • Dion Phaneuf: $729,167
  • Alexandre Burrows: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Mikkel Boedker: $2,000,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
OTT
SJS
BOS
EDM
NYI
OTT
CBJ
DAL
BOS
TBL
TOR
OTT
OTT
TBL
SJS
STL
OTT
2021
OTT
OTT
CBJ
SJS
TOR
OTT
BOS
OTT
OTT
2022
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
26$81,500,000$54,214,957$0$4,462,500$27,285,043
Left WingCenterRight Wing
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
OTT
Anisimov, Artem
$4,550,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
OTT
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
OTT
Duclair, Anthony
$1,650,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
OTT
White, Colin
$4,750,000
RW, C
UFA - 6
OTT
Batherson, Drake
$736,666
C, RW
RFA - 2
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
OTT
Brown, Logan
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
OTT
Balcers, Rūdolfs
$759,167
RW, LW
RFA - 1
OTT
Abramov, Vitaly
$730,833
LW
RFA - 2
OTT
Norris, Joshua
$925,000
C
RFA - 3
NYI
Ho-Sang, Joshua
$874,125
RW, C
RFA - 1
OTT
Chlapik, Filip
$728,333
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Ryan, Bobby
$7,250,000
RW, LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
BOS
Backes, David
$4,500,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
OTT
Sabourin, Scott
$700,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
$863,333
LD
UFA - 1
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
OTT
Anderson, Craig
$4,750,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
OTT
Wolanin, Christian
$900,000
LD
RFA - 2
OTT
Jaros, Christian
$755,000
RD
RFA - 1
OTT
Nilsson, Anders
$2,600,000
G
UFA - 2
OTT
Borowiecki, Mark
$1,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
OTT
Bernard-Docker, Jacob
$925,000
D
RFA
OTT
Högberg, Marcus
$700,000
G
RFA - 2
OTT
Reilly, Mike
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
OTT
Callahan, Ryan
$5,800,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
OTT
Gáborík, Marián
$4,875,000
RW
UFA - 2
OTT
MacArthur, Clarke
$4,650,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1

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Feb 16 at 8:02
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The forwards you traded were rentals. The reason why Coleman got so much is because he's on a criminal contract and is on pace for 30 goals. I think your best bet to get a 1st rounder is Pageau but a late 1st round pick is probably the most overvalued asset in hockey
Feb 16 at 8:05
#2
McGruff
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Good try Arafay, but don't chug the Kool-aid!
* Backes is not worth a Kings Ransom ^ ^ ^ (thankfully Sweeney went to Harvard and not Carleton) Cheers!
Feb 16 at 8:33
#3
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Quoting: McGruff
Good try Arafay, but don't chug the Kool-aid!
* Backes is not worth a Kings Ransom ^ ^ ^ (thankfully Sweeney went to Harvard and not Carleton) Cheers!


He will take more than Toronto had to give up for marleau. Unless you take a dump back
Feb 16 at 8:41
#4
McGruff
Joined: Mar 2019
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Quoting: arafay
He will take more than Toronto had to give up for marleau. Unless you take a dump back


I'm not a cap-ol-ogist, so please do a search on CF above ^ ^ under countless posts regarding Backes vs Marleau...
FYI - they are not the same and a brief snapshot:
* Marleau was 35+ years old when he signed in TO thus no cap relief (Backes was signed at 32 so he has relief).
* Marleau had more term (Backes has one year)
* Marleau had one destination (Backes has submitted a LIST and I assume list means plural or 2 or more teams) and
* Yadda, Yaddda, Yadda
Feb 16 at 8:52
#5
Simpleton
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 329
Likes: 101
Holland would not make that trade. Not enough talent coming back from Ottawa. Besides he can't add three contracts, without send some away in the same deal.
Feb 17 at 12:45
#6
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Quoting: McGruff
I'm not a cap-ol-ogist, so please do a search on CF above ^ ^ under countless posts regarding Backes vs Marleau...
FYI - they are not the same and a brief snapshot:
* Marleau was 35+ years old when he signed in TO thus no cap relief (Backes was signed at 32 so he has relief).
* Marleau had more term (Backes has one year)
* Marleau had one destination (Backes has submitted a LIST and I assume list means plural or 2 or more teams) and
* Yadda, Yaddda, Yadda


If backes gets bought out the team buying him out only gets 2M in cap relief and the additional 2M added to their cap hit the next season. While since marleau was a 35+ contract he would only fall into one season with his full cap hit. One reason why dumping backes will cost more.

You also mentioned his term. They both have 1 year left if this trade occurs in summer. Marleau was supposed to be a UFA anyway this season so that’s just factually incorrect. There’s another reason why backes will cost more to dump than marleau.

Marleau was prepared to go anywhere as long as he was bought out. Backes’ m-ntc on the other hand will make finding a partner even more difficult driving the price up further.

In conclusion, all the points you listed really only contribute to dumping backes costing more than dumping marleau.

It’s a wonder what “a search on cf” will do.
Feb 17 at 12:50
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Quoting: uphere
Holland would not make that trade. Not enough talent coming back from Ottawa. Besides he can't add three contracts, without send some away in the same deal.


What if they take on Russel? Would have to drop verronneau though
Feb 17 at 12:56
#8
McGruff
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Edited Feb 17 at 1:44
Quoting: arafay
Of backes gets bought out the team buying him out only gets 2M in cap relief and the additional 2M added to their cap hit the next season. While since marleau was a 35+ contract he would only fall into one season with his full cap hit. Which is the reason why backes will cost more to dump than marleau.


Say what you want brother_ BCarlo/On3Man3 and the rest of the Boston Mafia have yakked about this 100 times over and they will fight to the horrible death on this that you're wrong.
If you are a team w/ lots of Cap like OTT (to which Backes would not go to anyway) or NJ, COL, CBJ etc. then there's no need to buy him out. Just let him be a pressbox guy munching corndogs and getting you to the CAP-floor or put him on Robidas Island...problem solved!

AND btw Backes submitted his trade list to Sweeney this past week...

Beyond all that bs...the trade you show ME and MY Armchair GM office is a big overpay and I DECLINE. I'll keep Backes another year thanks (and my picks) and walk up the street to a GM that wants to see a win-win situation.

Adios...
Feb 17 at 12:00
#9
Simpleton
Joined: Jun 2017
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Likes: 101
Quoting: arafay
What if they take on Russel? Would have to drop verronneau though


The Oilers are probably another couple of drafts away from building up a decent pool of forward prospects; other than Lavoie and Denezhkin they really don't appear to have any young offensive promise coming up. This year's 1st round pick, and perhaps even the 2nd round pick, is extremely valuable to Holland and it seems unlikely he will part with it unless he can acquire young, NHL proven (or ready) high-end offensive talent in return.

I'm sure Holland would like to move Kris Russell, but I he'll also want to maximize the return he gets for Puljujarvi and packaging the two isn't going to help that effort. There's also the matter of Russell's limited no-trade-clause, one suspects the player may veto a move to a rebuilding club.
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