Quoting: F50marco
I am all but certain that if TB offered Vancouver's 1st for Armia, the Habs would have drove him to the airport and packed his bags too. And Armia is no slouch either. Armia is easily a comparable to Coleman, even if Colemans ability was slightly more, the price would be significantly less with Armia than it would be with Coleman.
For what TB wanted and needs, they could have gotten very close to it without paying a premium. They actively paid a premium when there was no need to. That's why this trade is a bad one regardless of if the Lightning win the cup or not. it'll take Coleman, himself, earning that premium by playing worthy of that cost during the playoffs. Then and only then can TB say "He was worth every penny".
Can Armia kill PK super good?
But ye, i wanted Armia too, good recommendation except...
Last time i heard he was a new fan favorite in Canadiens land and Bergevin doesn't like to sell any players. We are also in same division. I thought Montreal wanted to make the playoffs. Same with Philly. So if they say no to this offer, what can you do? ( for a worse player - no way he should pay even more right?)
You have to understand? Rivals don't like to make trades... Montreal doesn't want Tampa to win the cup... Montreal should be still in the race... even though it's a low % after the losing streak...
So BriseBois should have waited 1 more week, when noone is available(in the top category of middle 6 defensive forwards)who we really want, let's say by then Kreider,Toffoli etc... gone), when Bergevin says: "Okay now i'm selling Armia... what's your offer?"
Maybe the offer is only a first by then... then you won't be that happy about selling Armia then... Or if noone bids for Armia... Bergevin just keeps him, if there is no right offer...
Nolan Foote was almost a 2nd round pick... like projected to be 35th... if i remember correctly... So late first + 2nd for Coleman... not that horrible, when it's not rental + super cheap contract. Yes for us 2 mill = much better than 5 mill. For other teams, it's not worth a Nolan Foote those cap savings... We payed assets basically like Toronto unloaded Marleau last year... caphell = not good
Let's just examine Couturier, why do you think he is untouchable? Because of his caphit is not 10 million$ = huge value for philly. So it's impossible to offer anything, which is realistic. GM will say no to every offer. Every team needs steal contracts... We have one in Coleman for 1.5 years... not the worst thing in the world, if he is gonna be useful... New jersey fans loved him... so i'm hopeful he is as good as they say
Btw there was a rumour last year Brisebois offered Serg for Risto(50% retained salary). It's easy to see, he already prepared for the caphell back then. That deal didn't work out. We probably wanted a pick or 2 because Serg is better... but we don't know the details... BriseBois philosophy = caphit $/value for assets, rather then selling the core(+sidecore) of the team... i mean if we keep contending it's alright...
We'll see in couple of years, if this was worst trade of deadline or not... it's based on winning the cup, nothing else... however good our roster are, if no cup = no success...
And why can't tampa once in 3 years can lose a trade? We won a lot already over the last years. Only other teams can lose trades? We have a rookie GM anyways, looks like he is not as careful(see Vasi from nowhere contract + this deal). I just hope if we go allin this year.... next year we back to normal... this year i think based on our improvements, we have to go for the cup, if coleman doesn't help... well that's life...
There can be only 1 winner/year... If this whole core doesn't win a cup... it will go down in history... best team who never won a cup in NHL... look at last 5-6 years results... it's crazy...
Since 2014/2015 season overall results:
1st - Washington Capitals - 468 games-290 wins-131 losses - 627 points - won cup
2nd - Tampa Bay Lightning - 469 games-293 wins-139 losses - 623 points - 1 finals
3rd - Pittsburgh Penguins - 467 games-268 wins-144 losses - 591 points - won cup
4th - Boston Bruins - 470 games-263 wins-144 losses - 589 points - 1 finals
5th - St. Louis Blues - 469 games-267 wins-154 losses - 582 points - won cup
By the end of the year, I'm fairly certain we will be ahead of Capitals... cup winners = good teams over long periods of time...
If we can't do it, need a new coach/retool... Boston just made the finals last year, i wonder why...