Some of those returns are insane. Leafs and Avs wouldn't give anywhere near that for those players

To start, now that Toronto has Campbell, there would be no interest in Miller.

Take away the second from the Manson deal and IMO it would be close. Have you seen the way Liljegren has been playing since he has been called up. A lot of it has been Sandin, but he has been showing that he is a top 4 or better d-man. Dermott already is. Maybe throw in a 4th also, but definitely not a 2nd.

that's the point, at least in the Avs one, I would not trade those guys for almost anything

I think the lower level guys are probably spot on, but when it comes to:
-Getz: Don't see him waiving. If all that is coming back is a couple of 2nd's, Ducks might as well keep him.
-Rico: Probably fine value. Something tells me that Buffalo would be on the 10 team NTC though.
-Fowler: Selling way too low. His value isn't at his peak, but why make this move? I also don't see a world where he waives to go to Monreal.
-Kase: Not a chance. His actual value right now is probably a 2nd+3rd. With the Coleman trade, that might push it up to something like a 1st+3rd, but that trade seemed like a "We need this, we've got an extra 1st round pick, let's roll the dice!".
-Rakell: Price should be along those lines, but don't see Edmonton moving Bouchard.
-Ritchie: Hasn't done enough to bring back a 1st. Would love to get it, and I see him as a playoff-type player, but there are better options available.
-Gudbranson: If all the team is getting back is a 5th, they're better off keeping him.
-Larsson/Guhle: No reason to move them. They're very young, and will either develop or they won't.
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The Manson trade is an underpay from TOR. Liljegren + 1st + for me. Manson is extremely important to this team. He's not flashy, but takes those hard minutes and stands up for his team mates. A true leader and an excellent playoff performer. I'd rather just keep him and add players around him.

I understand that the Kase deal seems insane, but Kase will never be valued by non-ANA fans the way he is by ANA fans. A true play driver, but riddled with injury concerns. Would be moved for help at RD, but Timmins is a risky solution (also concussion issues and hasn't made the jump yet). I think a 1st would have to be included for me to feel comfortable with that trade. I certainly don't accept it as a 1-for-1. The rest of the pieces in that deal seem superfluous to me.



Fine. I don't think the OP was saying these deals should be done, more that this would be the value he'd be happy with were said players to be traded. TOR can keep Liljegren and we'll keep Manson. No reason to move him for less than an overpay. Liljegren + 1st + for me.

Getz and Rico I agree,
I'm pretty low on Fowler, though he is having a good year this year, I doubt he wasives for MTL as well, but there were rumors/Habs fans saying they wanted him a while back
Kase would not be available at all if I was GM
I stole the basis of the Rakell trade, and that seemed to be the general consensus there as well, I'd tend to agree with that as well,
Ritchie has really been good this year, he's a guy where ANA doesn't want to move him bc they think he can continue that, but other teams will undervalue him bc he hasn't been as good previously, I still love my Hornqvist comp for him though lol
Guddy: 5th>7th, I do think he can get more the way teams are buying rn tho
Larsson/Guhle, I was only planning on moving one of them (and think we should move one) then I brought in Dermott and figured that made the other expendable as well

I don't disagree about Manson, but in this scenario, we brought in Dermott as well, which caused Guhle to be expendable which got us another 2020 2nd, in which case we esentially got two 2020 seconds, Lilja, a late pick, and better player than Guhle for Manson, also there's no more than like a 5% difference (at chance of being an impact player) between a late first and mid second, and we got two mid seconds, plus 2020 draft is so stacked, there will be guys in the second round that will be much better prospects than guys who would be available with that 2021 first we could get from TOR

Also Val Nuke is really good, similarly to Kase, I just threw him in because i knew he's be underrated by users on this site and would be viewed as a toss in

Leafs has zero interest in having the 4.1m Manson...especiallly at the price of two young Dmen Dermot and Liljegren....NHL starters. Can't Manson be traded to any other NHL team? Seems like on CapFriendly the only trading partner is the Leafs.
Ridiculous to think that Montreal would be one of three go to destination for M NTC Montreal. Seems like 75% of Fowler trades are to Montreal

So Kase gets a pass with his injury concerns but Timmins doesn't? There are better forwards who could be acquired for a lot cheaper from other teams.

I get that ANA doesn't have many RHDs which is why they are asking so much for Manson but there's no way TOR would give up that much. I don't see Manson to TOR deal happening

well leafs fans are like the only team who has shown interest, and if you couldn't tell from the return it was meant to suggest it would take an insane overpay to get him, plus I really don't know what Dermott's value is, I see anything from a first+ to like a third, plus I only sent him to MTL for that reason, and as a whole this post wasn't supposed to specify teams, it was hey! I want a second+solid RHD spec back for Fowler, is anyone interested

then ANA gladly keeps the two players... there's a reason why the prices I put were so high... they wouldn't be available (as stand alone trades) if I was GM

I'm sure other teams have shown interest, but it's CapFriendly virus that Leafs need to load up with aging RHD with no regard to cap or future depth. Liljegren who has just played a few games for the Leafs looks like he NHL ready. Dermot an NHL starter to term. It's not like Manson is going to move the playoff needle for the Leafs. Trouble with Fowler and his very restrictive NTC...who can traded too?. Plus his 6.75m cap hit. He might only want to go to a contending team, and those teams don't have the cap to take him on without sending similar cap back to the Ducks. I'm betting his 3 team trade list is Kings, San Jose, Tampa, Vegas (four)

6.5! but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to do what Kessel did to TOR (his trade list was probably like BOS MTL PIT WSH etc)

I'd still pass. No need for Dermott on our 3rd pairing LD behind Lindholm and Fowler and I see no point in forcing him to play RD. IMO, I think ANA fans have been spoilt having a player with Manson's skill set on the ice. I'd guarantee we'd miss him were he to be moved, especially when Silfverberg gets jumped my Myers and he's not around to slam him to the ground. We need more leaders in our line-up willing to put it all on the line to win, not less.



Sure, CAR and NYI because of injuries. WSH, EDM, FLA, VAN, etc. could all look at him for an upgrade. Plenty of teams would jump at the opportunity to trade for Manson. I doubt many would be willing to/have the assets to acquire him, but they'd certainly be interested. It's no surprise that even ANA fans only consider TOR when proposing a deal for Manson when we've had about 1000 threads about it from TOR fans over the past 3 months.

Agreed, Fowler isn't going anywhere.



No, but Kase is already in the NHL and has a 20 goal season under his belt. How is he equivalent in value to Timmins, a guy who has 2 NHL games under his belt and may never crack the league? Fine, fill your boots going after those other "better forwards" for less. Given what Coleman and Zucker just returned, I think you're mistaken on that one.

I don't think TOR should pay what it would cost for Manson either. For me, they're not serious contenders and Manson isn't going to change that. I don't see a Manson deal happening either. He's loved by the organisation, brings a very rare skill set at a incredibly cheap rate and is a true locker room leader. We need more Mansons on our team, not less.