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Yeah Nevermind - Kreider Proposals Post Toffoli

Created by: rja

Team: 2019-20 New York Rangers

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 17, 2020

Published: Feb. 17, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Before the Toffoli trade, I told people to temper expectations for a Kreider deal. After the Toffoli trade... As a fan, you may not like these proposals, but they are now my best guesses for Kreider.

I think there are 3 teams that fit for a Kreider trade: STL, NSH and BOS. I may have added one piece too many on a couple of the trades, but I tried to add prospects that = the value of a Tyler Madden (maybe Lauko + Cehlarik is a little too far but honestly I do not see either of them cracking the Bruin's roster any time soon). Let me know your thoughts.

Trades

NYR

De La Rose, Jacob
Kyrou, Jordan
2020 1st round pick (STL)
2021 3rd round pick (STL)

Additional Details:

*Condition: 2021 3rd is given to NYR if STL wins Stanley Cup or if Kreider is re-signed.

STL

Kreider 50% retained

NYR

Tolvanen, Eeli
Trenin, Yakov
2020 1st round pick (NSH)
2021 3rd round pick (NSH)

Additional Details:

*Condition: 2021 3rd is given to NYR if NSH wins Stanley Cup or if Kreider is re-signed.

NSH

Kreider 50% retained

NYR

Cehlárik, Peter
Lauko, Jakub
2020 1st round pick (BOS)
2021 3rd round pick (BOS)

Additional Details:

*Condition: 2021 3rd is given to NYR if STL wins Stanley Cup or if Kreider is re-signed.

BOS

Kreider 50% retained

Buyouts

Dan Girardi: $3,611,111
Kevin Shattenkirk: $1,483,333
Ryan Spooner: $300,000
Brad Richards: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Vladislav Namestnikov: $750,000 (18.75%)

Buried

Matt Beleskey: $825,000 ($1,900,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
29	$81,500,000	$83,607,299	$0	$10,160,000	-$2,107,299

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Panarin, Artemi $11,642,857$11,642,857 LW NMC UFA - 7	Zibanejad, Mika $5,350,000$5,350,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Buchnevich, Pavel $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 2
Kreider, Chris $4,625,000$4,625,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Strome, Ryan $3,100,000$3,100,000 RW, C UFA - 1	Fast, Jesper $1,850,000$1,850,000 RW UFA - 1
Lemieux, Brendan $925,000$925,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Howden, Brett $863,333$863,333 C, LW UFA - 2	Kakko, Kaapo $925,000$925,000 ($2,650,000$3M) RW RFA - 3
Chytil, Filip $894,166$894,166 ($350,000$350K) C, LW UFA - 2	McKegg, Greg $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1
Di Giuseppe, Phillip $700,000$700,000 LW UFA - 1	Haley, Micheal $700,000$700,000 C UFA - 1	Kyrou, Jordan $758,333$758,333 ($182,500$182K) RW UFA - 2
Tolvanen, Eeli $894,166$894,166 ($2,850,000$3M) LW, RW RFA - 2	De La Rose, Jacob $900,000$900,000 C, LW UFA - 1
Cehlárik, Peter $700,000$700,000 LW, RW RFA - 1	Trenin, Yakov $730,833$730,833 ($82,500$82K) LW, C UFA - 1
	Lauko, Jakub $786,667$786,667 LW, RW RFA - 4

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Staal, Marc $5,700,000$5,700,000 LD NMC UFA - 2	Trouba, Jacob $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD UFA - 7	Lundqvist, Henrik $8,500,000$8,500,000 G NMC UFA - 2
Skjei, Brady $5,250,000$5,250,000 LD UFA - 5	Smith, Brendan $4,350,000$4,350,000 LD/RD, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Shesterkin, Igor $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) G UFA - 2
Lindgren, Ryan $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) LD RFA - 2	Deangelo, Anthony $925,000$925,000 RD UFA - 1	Georgiev, Alexandar $792,500$792,500 ($132,500$132K) G UFA - 1
	Fox, Adam $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 3

Feb. 17, 2020 at 9:50 p.m.

Cshaken

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I thought LA undersold Toffoli but Madden seems to be a really good prospect so idk. Maybe Ottawa can get Wilde and a 2nd for Pageau or Brink and a 2nd

Feb. 17, 2020 at 9:51 p.m.

rja

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Quoting: Cshaken

I thought LA undersold Toffoli but Madden seems to be a really good prospect so idk. Maybe Ottawa can get Wilde and a 2nd for Pageau or Brink and a 2nd

I would argue he was one of VAN's better prospects and they have a pretty solid farm.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 9:52 p.m.

Cshaken

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Quoting: rja

I would argue he was one of VAN's better prospects and they have a pretty solid farm.

Wow so teams didn’t want to give their 1st rounders but they gave up a top prospect and a 2nd. That’s funny

Feb. 17, 2020 at 9:55 p.m.

coga16

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Quoting: rja

I would argue he was one of VAN's better prospects and they have a pretty solid farm.

hes not, hes a similar mid level prospect, example Sampo Ranta from the Avs

Feb. 17, 2020 at 9:57 p.m.

brgh4life

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I'm not saying these are unreasonable given the market, I'm just not sure what team would pay this price for a rental. I think the Bruins might just because of how close they were last season.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 9:58 p.m.

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Quoting: Cshaken

Wow so teams didn’t want to give their 1st rounders but they gave up a top prospect and a 2nd. That’s funny

Corey Pronman has Madden ranked 40th and Foote ranked 48th in his mid season prospect rankings. So I think the Kings getting Madden and a 2nd is really good. I thought they’d get a 2nd and 3rd for Toffoli.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 9:59 p.m.

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Quoting: coga16

hes not, hes a similar mid level prospect, example Sampo Ranta from the Avs

Pronman had Madden 40th ahead of the Foote that got traded who was ranked 48th in the most recent prospect rankings.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 9:59 p.m.

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Quoting: coga16

hes not, hes a similar mid level prospect, example Sampo Ranta from the Avs

Wheeler named him the 3rd best prospect on Vancouver about a week and a half ago. Pronman says he's got 2C upside.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:01 p.m.

coga16

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Quoting: Jah1722

Pronman had Madden 40th ahead of the Foote that got traded who was ranked 48th in the most recent prospect rankings.

I didnt think he was considered that high across the NHL,
Just Avs twitter was looking for comparable and Sampa Ranta name came up as a similar prospect

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:01 p.m.

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rja

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Quoting: coga16

hes not, hes a similar mid level prospect, example Sampo Ranta from the Avs

37 points in 27 games for Northeastern. Probably their 3rd best fwd propsect behind Podkolzin and Hoglander. Ranta does not meet Madden's level of production.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:02 p.m.

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Quoting: rja

37 points in 27 games for Northeastern. Probably their 3rd best fwd propsect behind Podkolzin and Hoglander. Ranta does not meet Madden's level of production.

Frederic and a 2nd for Pageau to counter Tampa

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:03 p.m.

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Quoting: brgh4life

I'm not saying these are unreasonable given the market, I'm just not sure what team would pay this price for a rental. I think the Bruins might just because of how close they were last season.

NSH also has been close in recent years, they have two 2nds and two 3rds in the upcoming draft, and they need more size and speed upfront. They might want to give it a go, especially if Tolvanen has been struggling a little bit lately. STL is right there too, and even if Tarasenko returns, they have a very good chance to repeat. These are 3 teams that can afford to give up these assets and still have a shot.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:03 p.m.

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Quoting: coga16

I didnt think he was considered that high across the NHL,
Just Avs twitter was looking for comparable and Sampa Ranta name came up as a similar prospect

What happened to Kaut? Is he a bust?

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:06 p.m.

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What happened to Kaut? Is he a bust?

no, hes not a bust. Was hurt to start the year, played through it and made it worse, and missed a lot of time bc of it.
Since he has came back from injury he had something close to a .5ppg in the AHL, which is good, and he plays a solid defensive game. He doesnt get PP time in the AHL, none of the prospects outside of Timmins does. The coach goes with heavy AHL lifers, which cant really argue bc the team is good and winning

hes very young and his ELC can slide another year. He will be fine.

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Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:06 p.m.

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Quoting: Cshaken

Frederic and a 2nd for Pageau to counter Tampa

I think at this point COL, WPG, CAL, and maybe EDM seem like teams that would be interested in Pageau, but I am just speculating.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:09 p.m.

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Quoting: rja

I think at this point COL, WPG, CAL, and maybe EDM seem like teams that would be interested in Pageau, but I am just speculating.

At this point I’d be asking for Vesalainen/Benson/Dube/Wilde/Wahlstrom/Brink and a 2nd rounder if that’s what Toffoli got

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:10 p.m.

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Quoting: Cshaken

At this point I’d be asking for Vesalainen/Benson/Dube/Wilde/Wahlstrom/Brink and a 2nd rounder if that’s what Toffoli got

This has little to do with Kreider though lol.

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Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:10 p.m.

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Might be time for Dougie Armstrong to turn the ol' phone off

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Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:11 p.m.

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Quoting: rja

This has little to do with Kreider though lol.

Kreider gets a B+ prospect and a 1st

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.

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rja

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Quoting: Cshaken

Kreider gets a B+ prospect and a 1st

I am saying after the Toffoli trade, being that Kreider is the top rental, it might be more now.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:13 p.m.

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Quoting: rja

I am saying after the Toffoli trade, being that Kreider is the top rental, it might be more now.

I’ll eat dog poop if Kreider gets more than Kyrou and a 1st

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Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:13 p.m.

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rja

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Quoting: A_K

Might be time for Dougie Armstrong to turn the ol' phone off

I am neither saying he'll do it, nor should you want him to. I am only saying that after the Toffoli trade, this could very well be the price, and STL has been linked as a team that is interested. Only used them as an example.

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Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:14 p.m.

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rja

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Quoting: Cshaken

I’ll eat dog poop if Kreider gets more than Kyrou and a 1st

What I wrote is not much more than that; really only the 2021 conditional 3rd. De la Rose is just a contract to move back for cap space.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:19 p.m.

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That's a good point about St. Louis. Repeating is tough to do and if they legitimately have a shot it would be well worth it.

Feb. 17, 2020 at 10:36 p.m.

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Toffoli is quite similar to Kreider... How does this make his value more...

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