Anaheim isn't interested in trading Kase for other forwards or insignificant draft picks.

Columbus doesn’t need more depth forwards... we need skill forwards. I’d rather add to Anderson and move him for a top 6 center then get a 4th liner and a B/C level prospect back.... I’d also rather just have a 2nd, as that’s what his compensation would be on a fair contract/offersheet as he is an RFA still.

Frederic is not a B or C level prospect. He is more than likely a 3C. I guess your definition of B/C matters. He will be a solid NHL player.
There is absolutely no way you get a 2c for Anderson. Not after his season.

This. BOS 1st might get it done.



Then why do you want him? He's had a terrible, injury-ridden year, so how is he going to help BOS for their playoff push?

An A level prospect to me is a top 6 player, B is a bottom 6 forward and C would be lucky to make the NHL.

Kuraly is more of a 4th line center and Columbus always has Nash as a 4th line center. You say Fredrick is a 3rd line center, we Columbus already has 2 of those in Jenner and Wennberg. Jenner can be a 2nd line center in a pinch but is better as the 3rd line guy, and Wennberg is too inconsistent to be a 2nd line center and is slightly overpaid because of this.

As for Anderson, I was suggesting adding to him to get that. Like he’d be an add on to a trade for a 2nd line center to open a roster spot, like Duclair was in the trade with Ottawa trade for Duchene.

kase is not worth a 1st. If he is Heinen also is.

Why - Size and toughness. He has one goal. Bruins got beat up in the playoffs. If, IF his shoulder holds up Anderson can be a force. Doesn't mean he will be.

Fair enough, but I guess my thought process would be - Kuraly is better than Nash and can play 3rd LW, but is better as 4C and PK. He is also half the price if you could unload Nash.
I don't really see CBJ making a run this year due to health. You might get in, but the Jones injury is glaring. I was putting this together thinking what you would need next year.

Wennberg and one of your goalies could land you a solid 2c or even a 1A.

Why won't Wennberg shoot, I don't get it?

Heinen doesn't drive the play like... you know what, I'm not even going to bother. You clearly haven't watched Kase play (or seen his advanced stats) and will never value him the way ANA fans do. You keep Heinen and we'll keep Kase.



So you even admit that Anderson brings intangibles beyond his scoring ability (which you've clearly ignored in your valuation of him) and yet you've still valued him so poorly.

I guess that is where we disagree. Kuraly is a solid player & a defensive specialist. The dude also has intangibles that don't show up. He is built for the playoffs and has a motor that does not stop. He is a 20pt guy during the regular season and just about 1/2 ppg in the playoffs. Frederic is a good young prospect who is tough as nails and has some skill
https://dobberprospects.com/player/trent-frederic/


IMO it's a pretty fair return. If it were last year that pick is probably a 2nd or 3rd, but it's not. He hasn't played well or really at all. AND - as you pointed out, part of his value is his physicality, which may or may not be what it was. Shoulder injuries on phyisical guys aren't good.

You should probably take a look at Heinen's advanced numbers. They are very similar to Kase. In fact... I guess it all depends on which ones you are talking about, but they are VERY SIMILAR Players, Maybe you aren't going to bother because there really isn't anything there?

Kase has also played with More talent around him, Heinen has been middle six and Kase has been in a top 6 role. Riley Nash was Heinen's Center in his rookie year.


CAREER: 217gp Heinen / 198gp Kase
Kase: CF% 55.8 -- FF% 55.2 PDO 99.6 oZs 59.5% dZs 40.5% 82 game average - 17g 22a 39pts
Heinen: CF% 56.1 -- FF% 56.2 PDO 102.8 ozs 59.8% dZs 40.2% 82game average - 13g 26a 39pts

Cool story bro. Kuraly is still a massive downgrade on Anderson. Anderson is a 27 goal scorer just last year for crying out load. Frederic makes up for the difference somewhat, but ~20-25 goalscorers on team friendly deals and with intangibles to boot are worth more than that, especially in today's market.



I don't understand why BOS would be interested then. What interest would they have in an injured player who has only played 26 games this season and didn't look great in those games either? It's pretty obvious you're just looking to buy low on Anderson after his injury-ridden season. Don't see CLB biting, don't see how it benefits BOS at all. Anyway, the guys on IR so cant' be traded, so this is all a moot point of discussion.



Okay, so Heinen and Kase are the same player and have the same advanced stats. So why are you trading Heinen+ for Kase then?

To answer all your questions "bro"
Change. Teams change things up.
Yes - buying low on Anderson - Again, never said Kuraly was anywhere near as good as Anderson. He is a solid player who can eat important minutes in the defensive zone and PK, so guys with more skill can not burn their energy there.
Kase vs Heinen - it's not a ton more, Hughes could be an NHL'er but it won't be on the Bruins. Not too concerned about a late 5th rd pick. He'd have an outside chance on a team with less depth. The reason for the trade - goals. Kase is more of a scorer whereas Heinen is more of a playmaker.

Also - Anderson is a RFA after this year, so not really "team friendly". Kuraly and Frederic are both under contract.
I guess you are right though. Bruins would be much better off waiting until offseason and giving him an offer sheet because CBJ will probably not be able to match. 14m to sign their 3 goalies and PLD. Plus other roster players. A team comes in at 4m for 1 year, I don't see CBJ being able to match. Have fun with the late 2nd.

So change for change sake... good logic. I'm sure you'd make a fine GM. Kuraly doesn't sniff Anderson. Learn to respect players on other teams and value them accordingly. This isn't NHL 20.

Heinen is a "playmaker" hey? Okay then. Kase is better. ANA won't be interested in Heinen at all. Stick Kase on a powerhouse team like BOS and he'd outperform Heinen. But you keep Heinen. He's doing really well for you.



Yeah, RFA... so he's cost-controlled. What are you on about? CLB will have no issues re-signing guys. Apart from Korpisalo and Anderson, everyone else will be going on bridge deals having just finished their ELCs.

Good luck offersheeting Anderson when you have no money. BOS will be looking to dump Backes so that they can get Krug re-signed. What a strange and completely delusional suggestion that BOS will offersheet Anderson, or any for that matter.

Cost controlled to a point. He could hold out very easily.

It's funny how wrong you can be. I don't actually think the Bruins will offer sheet him. Someone might.

FYI - You should probably do some actual research before you write nonsense.
The Bruins currently have 18m in cap space (with no increase). More than enough to Sign Krug (6x7m) and Debrusk (4 x 5.5m) - Bjork and Grzelcyk will use the remaining 6m or so.

They could easily deal Moore to clear 2.75m, & Backes for 6m freeing up an additional 8.75m. If you really think Trading Backes will cost them more than a B+ prospect or 2nd/3rd pick. You are wrong, but I will play. Fine. They buy him out and clear another 2m. So worse case they can save 4.75m by dealing Moore (5th rd pick) and buying out Backes. Backes cap hit the following year would only be 2m. Not backbreaking with Rask and Krejci both coming off the books and if they are re-signed, it will likely be for pay decrease.

Backes will not cost what Marleau cost. Why? His real money is only 4m which is what owners care about. 6m Cap hit and 4m in real money is appealing to teams that need to get to floor. Also not a 35+ contract. Marleau also said he would only play for TOR or SJ, so it was purely a cash transaction. If a team were to acquire Backes they could play him for one year at 6m cap (4m real) or buy him out for 4m/2m. Neither of those numbers are anywhere close to the 6m cap and 6m salary that Marleau was due.

You really should actually look at things before you start typing. Backes is not hurting the Bruins at all right now. Not one bit, and he really shouldn't next year either.

Thanks for playing bud, but you should probably stop embarrassing yourself.

Yeah, you! You brought it up!



Not sure what this rant is. I literally never said anything about what it would cost to dump Backes. Someone got a chip on their shoulder maybe?

Actually I said the CBJ (not CLB or whatever you call them) would be better off with him getting offered sheeted and only getting a 2nd rd pick.

Sorry if have a hard time understanding. what I said was Bruins would be much better off waiting until offseason and giving him an offer sheet because CBJ will probably not be able to match. I didn't say they would. I said that they would be better off than losing the package I Put together. The point being ANY TEAM would. His value is basically 2ND Pick.

And the thing is you did mention Backes' contract. I know you didn't say anything about the cost to dump it. I was getting out ahead of that one. Again, you seem to miss the boat on pretty much everything.
Here is what you said "Good luck offersheeting Anderson when you have no money. BOS will be looking to dump Backes so that they can get Krug re-signed. What a strange and completely delusional suggestion that BOS will offersheet Anderson, or any for that matter".


The entire point being you are WRONG. The Bruins have plenty of money with Backes' contract. Sure it's much easier if they don't, but when you say "Looking to dump Backes so they can get Krug-resigned" you sound like a moron. That is not true. They could 100% have Krug signed right now, no problems. They have 18m available next year. This Site actually provides that information to you.

No chip on my shoulder whatsoever. That really doesn't make any sense. What would I have a chip on my shoulder about Backes' contract? I think you have a chip on your shoulder about Anderson's contract. See it doesn't really make any sense tiger.

You do know that there are about 100 posts with these two guys getting traded to a varierty of teams for a similar package, right?

Go home howard, go home.

Errrrrrrrrr.... no you didn't. You said, and I quote - "Bruins would be much better off waiting until offseason and giving him an offer sheet because CBJ will probably not be able to match". Literally 4 post up bro.

P.S. I love it when people point out small things like "it's you're not your" or "it's CBJ, not CLB". Really shows they're clutching a straws trying to make a point to win an argument they've already lost.



The point is you brought it up. Why bring it up at all if you don't think BOS will do it. Very strange. CLB (I'm going to keep using it!) would easily match anything that returned a 2nd round pick. Anyway, ain't no one offersheeting Josh Anderson. Good player, but certainly not Seb Aho tier i.e. worth pissing off GMs and opening up your own players to potential offersheets later down the line.



BOS are trying very hard to move Backes. Not my words - https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1222935225002536960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1222935225002536960&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231222935225002536960



Goes on a massive rant about the cost of dumping Backes, but no chip... okay then. I am not even a CLB fan, so I really couldn't care less about Josh Anderson. I just wanted to point out that you've massively undervalued him. You really shouldn't make any more of these threads if you can't take any criticism.



Maybe. Haven't checked. My name isn't Howard and I am at home.

Howard = Howard the Duck -- Duh.
Still don't understand the chip thing - This is the definition "To have a chip on one's shoulder refers to the act of holding a grudge or grievance that readily provokes disputation. It can also mean a person thinking too much of oneself (often without the credentials) or feeling entitled."

No grudge, no grievance, no entitlement. Does not make sense.

I can take criticism if it's well thought out and legitimate. You have not brought anything to the table other than false things, like Kase vs Heinen. Or the fact that the Bruins have plenty of money. Nothing about that tweet (good effort) indicates the Bruins trying to "DUMP BACKES TO RESIGN KRUG" He will not play in Boston. The Bruins respect him as a person and aren't going to force to play in AHL, so they are trying to move him to a place where he will play.

Again you are missing the point. CBJ probably could not match anything over 3.25m for Anderson. They are the one's with the potential money issues in resigning their players. They have less money than the Bruins and need to sign their #1 center. PLD probably gets at least 5m, but that would be a bridge and he'll probably end closer to 7m over 7 or 8 years. That leave at best 9m for or at worst 5m for their three goalies and and a roster player or two. Not a ton of room if a team comes in with a 3.5-4.2m offer. Especially if there is term on it longer than a year (which a offersheet would). Or they would probably lose bjorkstrom and/or Savard the following offseason. They are both due hefty raises.

The point to bringing up the offer sheet is to show you that the above package is better than a 2nd rd pick. If you take into account the expansion draft, I would have to assume CBJ goes the 8 skates and 1 goalie route vs the 7F 3D 1G scenario as they have 5 D that I wouldn't let go (savard, Jones, Murray, Werenski, Nutivarra, PLD, Bjorkstrom and Atkinson) would be my guess. Maybe Nutivarra could be swapped out...

You've managed to completely derail this whole discussion. CLB would have no issues matching an offersheet on Anderson. Most their guys aren't getting significant increases in salary.

The main point is your valuation is off and CLB would pass on your offer.

so says you. CBJ would have a ton of issues matching an offer sheet on Anderson(over 3-3.5m). PLD is getting a huge raise as is Bjorkstrom and Savard. Werenski and Jones are also going to be pushing 10m each in 2.25 years.

stop. you are wrong. You have no idea who Frederic or Kuraly are.

What on earth are you talking about? Except for PLD, none of the guys you listed need a new contract this year. You're losing the plot as much as you're losing this argument. PLD will get a bridge deal. Everyone else will get minor increases. CLB easily matches any offersheet that doesn't return a 1st for Anderson. Stop crying because you failed to buy low on a very good player. Frederic = late, late 1st round pick with limited upside. Kuraly = 4th line C and fringe NHLer. Not worth a consistent 20 goal scorer and a former 27 goal scorer only last year. Get over it you pathetic baby,

Ouch. We get Kase, and you get Backes, a (late)1st and Andersson.

Lol... good for BOS and Kase. Yeah, thanks for the 1st in potentially one of the deepest drafts in recent years and a young prospect that fills a need. I have no idea why you think we got burned here. The return was far better than Heinen + Hughes + 5th.