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Making It Work Next Season

Created by: ForsbergForVezina
Initial Creation Date: Feb 24, 2020
Published: Feb 24, 2020 at 9:37
Team: 2020-21 New York Islanders
Team Explanation
In this scenario, Ladd, Boychuk and Komarov are still with the organization. While this is obviously far from ideal, the Pageau trade was the biggest trade Lou has made in years. I really have a hard time giving up assets (prospects) that he has invested in to move on from a mistake he didn't make. Idk if that makes any sense, but basically, I think Ladd, Boychuk and Leo are here to stay.

Also please don't trade for Parise....
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Sorokin, Ilya1$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Aho, Sebastian2$800,000
Pulock, Ryan7$6,000,000
Toews, Devon5$5,000,000
Barzal, Mathew3$7,333,333
Trades
NYI
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (CGY)
  2. 2020 4th round pick (SJS)
CGY
  1. Leddy, Nick
Additional Details:
I don't know if we can move Leddy's whole cap hit, but I think that's priority number 1 this offseason. Unlike Hickey and Ladd, he has value and would probably fit in a more offensive minded system.
NYI
  1. 2020 7th round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Hickey, Thomas
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (NYI)
Buyouts
  • Rick DiPietro: $0
Buried
  • Andrew Ladd: $4,425,000 ($5,500,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NYI
NYI
SJS
NYI
NYI
NYI
DET
2021
NYI
CGY
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
2022
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$83,365,833$0$1,287,500$134,167
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYI
Lee, Anders
$7,000,000
LW, C
NTC
UFA - 6
NYI
Barzal, Mathew
$7,333,333
C
RFA - 3
NYI
Eberle, Jordan
$5,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
NYI
Beauvillier, Anthony
$2,100,000
LW
RFA - 1
NYI
Nelson, Brock
$6,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
NYI
Wahlstrom, Oliver
$894,167
C, RW
RFA - 3
NYI
Bellows, Kieffer
$894,166
C, LW
RFA - 1
NYI
Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
$5,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 6
NYI
Bailey, Josh
$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
NYI
Komarov, Leo
$3,000,000
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
NYI
Cizikas, Casey
$3,350,000
C
UFA - 1
NYI
Clutterbuck, Cal
$3,500,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYI
Pelech, Adam
$1,600,000
LD
RFA - 1
NYI
Pulock, Ryan
$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
NYI
Varlamov, Semyon
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
NYI
Toews, Devon
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
NYI
Dobson, Noah
$894,167
RD
RFA - 2
NYI
Sorokin, Ilya
$925,000
G
RFA - 1
NYI
Aho, Sebastian
$800,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYI
Mayfield, Scott
$1,450,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NYI
Johnston, Ross
$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
NYI
Dal Colle, Michael
$700,000
LW
RFA - 1
NYI
Boychuk, Johnny
$6,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2

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Feb 24, 2020 at 9:43
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10 million on the 4th line and 6 million on the bench and over 4 million in the ahl. Ouch.

I'm just waiting for Lee to continue to decline by about 32 to be the next Ladd.

DONT SIGN UFA WINGERS TO BIG DEALS
Feb 24, 2020 at 9:44
#2
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Also do you really think a guy who has less than half a point per game in the AHL this year will be ready for your second line next year? (Wahlstrom?)
Feb 24, 2020 at 9:45
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I think Greene is resigned for a year for 1-1.5 mil and plays with Dobson as 3rd pair. I think Leo goes and we maybe send a 3rd or Aho/Vande Sompel to make it happen. I can see Martin getting another year at 800k-1 Mil.
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Feb 24, 2020 at 9:46
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Pulock gets 6.5 too
Feb 24, 2020 at 9:53
#5
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Nick Leddy Apologist
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Quoting: BCAPP
Also do you really think a guy who has less than half a point per game in the AHL this year will be ready for your second line next year? (Wahlstrom?)


Maybe switch him and Bailey? Idk, if he gets off to a decent start next season, I imagine he gets an early call-up. They gave him a shot this season
Feb 24, 2020 at 9:54
#6
Isles7
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Quoting: BCAPP
Also do you really think a guy who has less than half a point per game in the AHL this year will be ready for your second line next year? (Wahlstrom?)


Wahlstrom started off with something like 9 points in 12 games, but after he came up for his 9 games (where he led the islanders in xGF%), Barry trotz said he needed to work on his play away from the puck. Thats what he's doing right now, and his numbers are taking a hit. He's ready for the NHL right now from an offensive standpoint. Context matters, if you watched his games with the islanders, he was their best player some nights.
Feb 24, 2020 at 9:54
#7
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Nick Leddy Apologist
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Quoting: dougdurant
I think Greene is resigned for a year for 1-1.5 mil and plays with Dobson as 3rd pair. I think Leo goes and we maybe send a 3rd or Aho/Vande Sompel to make it happen. I can see Martin getting another year at 800k-1 Mil.


I wouldn't mind any other what you just mentioned, if they could make it work.
Feb 24, 2020 at 9:55
#8
Isles7
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Quoting: BCAPP
10 million on the 4th line and 6 million on the bench and over 4 million in the ahl. Ouch.

I'm just waiting for Lee to continue to decline by about 32 to be the next Ladd.

DONT SIGN UFA WINGERS TO BIG DEALS


you should worry about #91 - I see on twitter half your fanbase is already calling for him to be traded after year 2 @ 11 mill per
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Feb 24, 2020 at 9:55
#9
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Nick Leddy Apologist
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Quoting: Isles777
Wahlstrom started off with something like 9 points in 12 games, but after he came up for his 9 games (where he led the islanders in xGF%), Barry trotz said he needed to work on his play away from the puck. Thats what he's doing right now, and his numbers are taking a hit. He's ready for the NHL right now from an offensive standpoint. Context matters, if you watched his games with the islanders, he was their best player some nights.


The Isles are literally 8-0-1 when Wahlstrom plays smirk
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Feb 24, 2020 at 10:00
#10
Isles7
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komarov will likely be traded or bought out this summer. Dal Colle is a much better player
Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04
#11
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Nick Leddy Apologist
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Quoting: Isles777
komarov will likely be traded or bought out this summer. Dal Colle is a much better player


The difference isn't huge imo, but if it saves us some money, I'd be down
Feb 24, 2020 at 10:09
#12
Isles7
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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
The difference isn't huge imo, but if it saves us some money, I'd be down


That’s true. I still think he gets bought out. It makes too much sense, I don’t think he has a role on this team next season
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Feb 24, 2020 at 10:16
#13
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Quoting: Isles777
you should worry about #91 - I see on twitter half your fanbase is already calling for him to be traded after year 2 @ 11 mill per


I'm not concerned about fans being stupid.

But yes almost guaranteed I'll hate that contract ins couple years. Such is the price with high end UFAs.

No rose coloured glasses here. But do you not see the huge problems?
Feb 24, 2020 at 10:49
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Isles7
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Quoting: BCAPP
I'm not concerned about fans being stupid.

But yes almost guaranteed I'll hate that contract ins couple years. Such is the price with high end UFAs.

No rose coloured glasses here. But do you not see the huge problems?


Andrew Ladd and Anders Lee are two different types of players. Lee provides value with his board play in the O zone and he's an elite net front presence. He is top 5 in the NHL in high danger chances at 5 v 5. Lee will eventually decline, but right now he makes the islanders significantly better. The difference between his contract and ladds is that lee's contract is not bonus laden so it is buyout friendly.
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Feb 24, 2020 at 10:51
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Quoting: Isles777
Andrew Ladd and Anders Lee are two different types of players. Lee provides value with his board play in the O zone and he's an elite net front presence. He is top 5 in the NHL in high danger chances at 5 v 5. Lee will eventually decline, but right now he makes the islanders significantly better. The difference between his contract and ladds is that lee's contract is not bonus laden so it is buyout friendly.


I just have a hate on for the vast majority of UFA winger contracts for term. They almost always suck by year 3.

If you think back to those signed over the last half dozen years or so with 5+ years signed as UFA the ones that don't suck by year 3 are limited to Oshie, maybe Foligno in Columbus and the freak of nature that is Brad Marchand.

The terrible ones though are endless (Erricson, Ladd, Okposo, Backes, Lucic, etc etc)
Feb 24, 2020 at 11:05
#16
Isles7
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Quoting: BCAPP
I just have a hate on for the vast majority of UFA winger contracts for term. They almost always suck by year 3.

If you think back to those signed over the last half dozen years or so with 5+ years signed as UFA the ones that don't suck by year 3 are limited to Oshie, maybe Foligno in Columbus and the freak of nature that is Brad Marchand.

The terrible ones though are endless (Erricson, Ladd, Okposo, Backes, Lucic, etc etc)


I think its important to choose a direction. If you're going to sign a 29 year old to a 7 year deal where hell provide great value for the first 3-4 years, you better be all in and willing to "go for it" and maximize the win now window. Make trades, don't be stingy with picks and certain prospects (obviously not the blue chips).

There are other players besides those 3 that have somewhat lived up to their contracts like Giroux, Voracek etc.

The problem I have with the long term contracts (like ladd) is the signing bonuses essentially making it buyout proof.
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Feb 24, 2020 at 11:20
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Quoting: Isles777
I think its important to choose a direction. If you're going to sign a 29 year old to a 7 year deal where hell provide great value for the first 3-4 years, you better be all in and willing to "go for it" and maximize the win now window. Make trades, don't be stingy with picks and certain prospects (obviously not the blue chips).

There are other players besides those 3 that have somewhat lived up to their contracts like Giroux, Voracek etc.

The problem I have with the long term contracts (like ladd) is the signing bonuses essentially making it buyout proof.


I forgot Voracek. Good one.

Giroux was more of a c who transitioned to winger.

But you raise a good point.

Just in general I find wingers age worse than C's and most winger contracts for term UFAs age badly so I'd be super leery on them.

For your sake hopefully Lee holds up
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