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Canes fans

Created by: NR1203
Initial Creation Date: Feb 26, 2020
Published: Feb 27 at 12:02 am
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Saw that other Pesce thread and wanted to try and see if this is closer, because he's not worth Nylander or Marner.

This is just to see how highly Canes fans value Pesce
Trades
TOR
  1. Pesce, Brett
CAR
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
27$81,500,000$97,096,866$0$0-$15,596,866
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Malgin, Denis
$750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Rosén, Calle
$750,000
LD
UFA - 2
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
CAR
Pesce, Brett
$4,025,000
RD
UFA - 5

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Feb 27 at 1:28
#1
Joined: Jun 2019
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Canes are a playoff team, they arent trading Vlassic 2.0 for a 3rd line winger and futures regardless of the caliber of the futures

Also, yes he is worth Nylander, maybe not Marner but yes for Nylander
Feb 27 at 4:43
#2
Joined: Mar 2017
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Canes are a playoff team, they arent trading Vlassic 2.0 for a 3rd line winger and futures regardless of the caliber of the futures

Also, yes he is worth Nylander, maybe not Marner but yes for Nylander


Liljegren is better than Pesce right now.
Feb 27 at 5:11
#3
Joined: Jun 2019
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Quoting: drewjenkins
Liljegren is better than Pesce right now.


Isnt it a little early to be smoking?
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Feb 27 at 8:02
#4
Miss the Thrashers
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Again, he's worth Nyander. That's where any conversation starts without coughing up Sandin. So either pay the price, or go away
Feb 27 at 8:02
#5
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Isnt it a little early to be smoking?


Pesce's injured so I guess he's right but.....
Feb 27 at 9:27
#6
Joined: Aug 2019
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this is an overpay. pesce is not worth either marner or nylander 1 for 1, if you think otherwise there are some serious issues
Feb 27 at 9:30
#7
Joined: Aug 2019
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Again, he's worth Nyander. That's where any conversation starts without coughing up Sandin. So either pay the price, or go away


maybe last year when nylander was holding out, that ship has sailed and it would need pesce +
Feb 27 at 10:21
#8
Miss the Thrashers
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Quoting: vr1995
maybe last year when nylander was holding out, that ship has sailed and it would need pesce +


No. Pesce is one of the best DFD in the league putting up 40+ point pace on a STEAL of a contract with a LOT of term. It's Pesce for Nylander as a starting point. you act like only Nylander has gotten better, and that Pesce is such a low tier piece. It's Nylander or get lost.
Feb 27 at 10:35
#9
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 483
Likes: 154
Quoting: Caniac2000
No. Pesce is one of the best DFD in the league putting up 40+ point pace on a STEAL of a contract with a LOT of term. It's Pesce for Nylander as a starting point. you act like only Nylander has gotten better, and that Pesce is such a low tier piece. It's Nylander or get lost.


Pesce is not putting up a 40+ point pace its more like 24.... but good try. nylanders will be a steal as well. not saying pesce hasnt gotten better but its funny how all fo these defenseman turn into #1D man once a trade with the leafs is involved (dumba,manson). hard to put pesce in the top25/30 dman in the nhl and you think it "starts" with nylander youre just delusional, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about
Feb 27 at 10:39
#10
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Quoting: vr1995
Pesce is not putting up a 40+ point pace its more like 24.... but good try. nylanders will be a steal as well. not saying pesce hasnt gotten better but its funny how all fo these defenseman turn into #1D man once a trade with the leafs is involved (dumba,manson). hard to put pesce in the top25/30 dman in the nhl and you think it "starts" with nylander youre just delusional, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about


You're delusional thinking otherwise. Carolina had a D man in the Norris conversation this year, and Pesce is STILL better than him. Dubas loves analytics right? PEsce reads top 5 in xGA and CA. He reads above average in xGF and CF. He's an analytical god. His on ice product? Finished last season +34.... 4th highest in the league. He fills your need PERFECTLY. Carolina don't need Nylander, you NEED pesce. It STARTS with Nylander? Don't like it? Okay fine. Don't try this ACGM's if you want to be that delusional.
Feb 27 at 10:45
#11
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 483
Likes: 154
Quoting: Caniac2000
You're delusional thinking otherwise. Carolina had a D man in the Norris conversation this year, and Pesce is STILL better than him. Dubas loves analytics right? PEsce reads top 5 in xGA and CA. He reads above average in xGF and CF. He's an analytical god. His on ice product? Finished last season +34.... 4th highest in the league. He fills your need PERFECTLY. Carolina don't need Nylander, you NEED pesce. It STARTS with Nylander? Don't like it? Okay fine. Don't try this ACGM's if you want to be that delusional.


there will be many people that agree with me and not alot who agree with you. i agree leafs need pesce more than canes need nylander, doesnt make mean that 1 for 1 makes sense. last year it did but now with nylander breaking out its gonna cost alot more, but im asuming your from carolina so you dont know anything about hockey so its ok
Feb 27 at 10:53
#12
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Quoting: vr1995
there will be many people that agree with me and not alot who agree with you. i agree leafs need pesce more than canes need nylander, doesnt make mean that 1 for 1 makes sense. last year it did but now with nylander breaking out its gonna cost alot more, but im asuming your from carolina so you dont know anything about hockey so its ok


I'd happily trade Nylander for Pesce as a Leafs fan. Cost controlled Top 3 D are very very very hard to come by.
Pesce may not be a flashy offensive player, but the Leafs have Rielly and Sandin to fill the flashy offensive defenseman role. Muzzin is a Two-Way Guy. Pesce would be the best kind of partner for Rielly.

While I think the 3 pieces in the above trade could work (upgrade at forward, still only a Top 9 player on the Canes, and then cost controlled assets in the 1st and Lilly), the deal would need to start with Nylander and build from there.

Maybe something like
Pesce
Foegele
2nd

For

Nylander
Liljegren
Feb 27 at 10:54
#13
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 1,171
Likes: 336
Quoting: drewjenkins
Liljegren is better than Pesce right now.


No... no he’s not.
Feb 27 at 10:55
#14
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 483
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Quoting: jmac490
I'd happily trade Nylander for Pesce as a Leafs fan. Cost controlled Top 3 D are very very very hard to come by.
Pesce may not be a flashy offensive player, but the Leafs have Rielly and Sandin to fill the flashy offensive defenseman role. Muzzin is a Two-Way Guy. Pesce would be the best kind of partner for Rielly.

While I think the 3 pieces in the above trade could work (upgrade at forward, still only a Top 9 player on the Canes, and then cost controlled assets in the 1st and Lilly), the deal would need to start with Nylander and build from there.

Maybe something like
Pesce
Foegele
2nd

For

Nylander
Liljegren


it doesnt start with him, end of story. im done with this stupid bs
Feb 27 at 10:56
#15
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2017
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Quoting: jmac490
I'd happily trade Nylander for Pesce as a Leafs fan. Cost controlled Top 3 D are very very very hard to come by.
Pesce may not be a flashy offensive player, but the Leafs have Rielly and Sandin to fill the flashy offensive defenseman role. Muzzin is a Two-Way Guy. Pesce would be the best kind of partner for Rielly.

While I think the 3 pieces in the above trade could work (upgrade at forward, still only a Top 9 player on the Canes, and then cost controlled assets in the 1st and Lilly), the deal would need to start with Nylander and build from there.

Maybe something like
Pesce
Foegele
2nd

For

Nylander
Liljegren


I wouldn’t mind it if that was the price... they’re getting something back beyond Pesce so I think this would be good
Feb 27 at 10:56
#16
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 483
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Quoting: jmac490
I'd happily trade Nylander for Pesce as a Leafs fan. Cost controlled Top 3 D are very very very hard to come by.
Pesce may not be a flashy offensive player, but the Leafs have Rielly and Sandin to fill the flashy offensive defenseman role. Muzzin is a Two-Way Guy. Pesce would be the best kind of partner for Rielly.

While I think the 3 pieces in the above trade could work (upgrade at forward, still only a Top 9 player on the Canes, and then cost controlled assets in the 1st and Lilly), the deal would need to start with Nylander and build from there.

Maybe something like
Pesce
Foegele
2nd

For

Nylander
Liljegren


3rd line winger , 3/4 d and a 2nd for a 1/2 rw im and one of their best prospects LOL
Feb 27 at 10:59
#17
Miss the Thrashers
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Quoting: jmac490
I'd happily trade Nylander for Pesce as a Leafs fan. Cost controlled Top 3 D are very very very hard to come by.
Pesce may not be a flashy offensive player, but the Leafs have Rielly and Sandin to fill the flashy offensive defenseman role. Muzzin is a Two-Way Guy. Pesce would be the best kind of partner for Rielly.

While I think the 3 pieces in the above trade could work (upgrade at forward, still only a Top 9 player on the Canes, and then cost controlled assets in the 1st and Lilly), the deal would need to start with Nylander and build from there.

Maybe something like
Pesce
Foegele
2nd

For

Nylander
Liljegren


THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT
Feb 27 at 11:01
#18
Miss the Thrashers
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Quoting: vr1995
there will be many people that agree with me and not alot who agree with you. i agree leafs need pesce more than canes need nylander, doesnt make mean that 1 for 1 makes sense. last year it did but now with nylander breaking out its gonna cost alot more, but im asuming your from carolina so you dont know anything about hockey so its ok


Hey um... how many agree with you now?
Feb 27 at 11:02
#19
Miss the Thrashers
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Quoting: vr1995
it doesnt start with him, end of story. im done with this stupid bs


It does. Don't like it? GET ANOTHER D MAN
Feb 27 at 11:04
#20
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Hey um... how many agree with you now?


the 1 person who responded and he made a dumb trade idea as well? lmao get over yourself loser
Feb 27 at 11:10
#21
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Canes are a playoff team, they arent trading Vlassic 2.0 for a 3rd line winger and futures regardless of the caliber of the futures

Also, yes he is worth Nylander, maybe not Marner but yes for Nylander


trouba got less of a return and trouba is better
Feb 27 at 11:11
#22
Miss the Thrashers
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Quoting: vr1995
the 1 person who responded and he made a dumb trade idea as well? lmao get over yourself loser


You think 2 people who have said Pesce starts with Nylander are dumb wheras the one who disagrees is right? Maybe you should re-think your logic
Feb 27 at 11:11
#23
Miss the Thrashers
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Quoting: vr1995
trouba got less of a return and trouba is better


TROUBA BETTER THAN PESCE? LLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL
Feb 27 at 11:11
#24
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Quoting: vr1995
trouba got less of a return and trouba is better


Trouba isn't better. Sure he gets paid more, but that doesn't mean he's better
Feb 27 at 11:15
#25
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Quoting: vr1995
3rd line winger , 3/4 d and a 2nd for a 1/2 rw im and one of their best prospects LOL


Nylander has had a beyond stellar season. In years prior he could barely drive a line (his shortened season). I could see the argument from your side if you equate the Pec injury of Pesce to that of Dumba (since Dumba hasn't been playing to the same standard as the year prior).

I know Nylander just scored a between the legs goal, but please think less of the guy. He held out for 3 months over 500K a season (I'm still a little bitter about it)
 
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