No... but Pesce and Nylander are about the same in talent level at their positions. Pesce's position is FAR rarer than Nylander's and Pesce's contract is far better

FAr better contarct is stretch cause although its a couple mill differnce nylanders contract isnt bad by any means, once again you rbought contract into which doesnt determine who the betetr hockey player is pesces contract is solid but cant say willys is bad

Dougie is better at offense, slavin is better all around but left shot. Pesce is a great Defensive Dman is likely 10th best or around there RIGHT SHOT DMAN in the league. you cant just compare hockey players in a trade. you have to compare literally everything to do with them, are they a locker room cancer, whats their contract, whats their term etc etc. In a vacuum which player is the better player. nylander because he has more skill, more room to grow etc. HOWEVER we arent in a vacuum. Right now pesce for nylander is roughly the price there.

Nylander's contract isn't bad, but Pesce's is a STEAL. Pesce plays a rarer position as well as anyone league wide. Pesce is frequently called the most underrated D man league wide because he sits under Hamilton and Slavin. He is genuinely a top 10 NHL league wide RD man. That's why you're not gonna get him without coughing up Nylander to start

did i say barkov was better? i said barkov may be more valuable. I never said he was more talented. THATS EXACTLY how trades work. TOTAL PACKAGE not just skill.

I never once said pesce was the better player. i said he was more valuable. Like i said barkov COULD BE (never said he was) more valuable than mcdavid. Nylander has value, dont get me wrong, but lets not treat him like the second coming of gretzky. If anything hes phil kessel 2.0. Where as pesce is a poor mans parayko.

Don't bother, you can't use common sense with someone who is so determined to stick to their own narrative.

yes i know you didnt but thats not what i was arguing, someone posted that they think pesce is a top 10 dman and his contract plays a factor, what i was saying that is when you are comparing a hockey player as to whi os better 1v1 you cant look at the guy with the cheaper contract and he gets an advantage as to whos better because of it

no you chimed in a seperate topic, we were passed the trade at that point, go look at the first post of mine you quoted. i wasnt talking about the trade, i was referring to the guy who said pesce is top 10

Wow, that's a unique take on the Maple LEafs fan base, but you're entitled to your opinion

i also never said he was the seocnd coming of gretzky not once, pesce is a homeless mans parayko

This was the entire basis that started the argument. so if thats NOT TRADE TALK then i guess im the idiot here. I chimed in later to the argument. didnt realize i needed to go back and quote something from 5 hours ago for you to be able to put 2 and 2 together.

Pesce
53% CF
On Pace for 24 points
50-50 OZone starts to DZone starts
22 minutes per night

Paryako
48% CF
On pace for 34 points
46-54 OZone starts to DZone starts
23 minutes per night

They are pretty close in terms of pretty much everything. Parayko gets the slight edge offensively, Pesce gets the edge defensively. They are both good defenseman.

Edit: So if you make the argument that you would do a 1 for 1 trade between Nylander and Paryako, then the argument that you have made against Pesce and Nylander, becomes less viable to me.

Perfectly said

Sometimes you gotta respond to stupid with stupid.

Not sure how Kapanen is a 3rd line winger when he'd be the 3rd - 4th most productive forward on most NHL teams (2nd on some teams).

Plus he's only 23, he kills penalties, he's got a low cap-hit for 3 more years, and he expires as an RFA.

Man ... spoken like the true GM of the canes !

Here's a hypothetical ... would you trade Aho for Pesce?

Because Nylander is right in his ballpark ... making $1,600,000 less for the same term.

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Aho is a lot more comparable to Marner then Nylander so the basis of tour question is flawed

CURRENT SEASON:

62 points in 53 games = 1.17 PPG = 96 PTS per 82 games = one point every 18.22 mins = Mitch Marner
56 points in 62 games = 0.91 PPG = 75 PTS per 82 games = one point every 19.98 mins = Will Nylander
60 points in 62 games = 0.96 PPG = 79 PTS per 82 games = one point every 20.08 mins = Sebastian Aho

LAST 4 SEASONS:

287 points in 294 games = 0.98 PPG = 80 PTS per 82 games = one point every 18.67 mins = Mitch Marner
206 points in 276 games = 0.75 PPG = 62 PTS per 82 games = one point every 22.26 mins = Will Nylander
257 points in 304 games = 0.84 PPG = 68 PTS per 82 games = one point every 22.02 mins = Sebastian Aho

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Nylander and Aho are significantly more comparable than Marner and Aho.

Nylander actually produces at about the same rate as Aho (both this season and over his career).
He's just been used less than Aho due to competing for ice-time with Tavares, Matthews & Marner.
And all this data includes Nylander's brutal half season last year (remove it and his stats beat Aho's).
Take it as you will though ... I'm just a facts machine.

So as a "fact machine" you are just going to ignore the facts that Aho plays center, is the main driver on his line, and has scored more goals then both (almost both together)? Not to mention plays on the powerplay and PK (like Marner, and unlike Nylander), has more takeaways, has a higher CF% then both, has a better Corsi rating.
Good try though

Nylander is also a C ... and he plays it extremely well when needed ... he isn't forced to play C though.

Toronto's always had a combo of Matthews, Tavares, Kadri, Bozak, Kerfoot (Nylander's better as a top-6 winder vs 3rd line center).
Aho has been Carolina's great hope for #1 center since he joined the NHL (things are looking better in Carolina now though).

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Career Takeaways:

290 = One takeaway every 18.6 minutes = Marner (1st)
210 = One takeaway every 21.9 minutes = Nylander (2nd)
247 = One takeaway every 22.8 minutes = Aho (3rd)

Not much to see ... Aho has played the most minutes but is the worse at takeaways overall.

Career Corsi:

54.0 CF% = Plus 3.6%relative to teammates = Nylander (1st)
55.7 CF% = Plus 2.8%relative to teammates = Aho (2nd)
52.1 CF% = Plus 1.6%relative to teammates = Marner(3rd)

Not much to see ... Corsi is a team stat after all ... though Rel CF% is more telling.
Carolina's defense has probably helped Aho's gross CF% numbers ... no?

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Nylander has always been the main play driver on his line ... even when he plays with Matthews.
He basically skates the puck the length of the ice and then passes it to Matthews for a goal.
Go check his controlled zone entry and exit stats for yourself (their shockingly good).

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And yes Aho does have a lot more PP time than Nylander ... great point there !
That makes Aho's stats comparatively worse vs Nylander ... who is much better at even strength.

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Please get your stats correct if you plan to reference them in an argument.
I always do ... I'm just a facts machine after all.

Beep boop.