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Josh Anderson wants out CBJ wants term Marner cant shoot at all

Created by: Leafloyalist
Initial Creation Date: Mar 1, 2020
Published: Mar 1, 2020 at 10:05
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis4$2,500,000
Mikheyev, Ilya4$2,500,000
Malgin, Denis2$750,000
Gauthier, Frédérik2$750,000
Bracco, Jeremy2$750,000
Anderson, Josh5$3,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Clifford, Kyle3$2,000,000
Spezza, Jason2$750,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Jones, Seth
  2. Anderson, Josh [RFA Rights]
CBJ
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Dermott, Travis
Additional Details:
Rights to Dermott
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$81,535,116$0$400,000$1,464,884
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Anderson, Josh
$3,250,000
RW
UFA - 7
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
$2,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$750,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
CBJ
Jones, Seth
$5,400,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Malgin, Denis
$750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1

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Mar 1, 2020 at 10:55
#1
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Not a good trade for the Leafs... Marner has 5 years after this year and Jones only has 2.
Mar 1, 2020 at 10:58
#2
Breadman likes Bread
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Columbus laughs.
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Mar 1, 2020 at 11:03
#3
Sir
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Seth Jones is worth more than Marner. Marner is great but he is overpaid ( he is a poorer version of Mark Stone) by at least 2 million. Meanwhile, before injury and encompassing most of the season, Seth Jones has put a body of work that’s nearly Norris trophy conversation and he is the next batch of peaking ultra-elite D man who has it all: amazing at PK, can run the PP great ( ideal 2nd PP QB at worst, only if Hughes or Karlsson of old are running the 1st unit), big, strong, fast, great shot, good passing, calm under pressure, good positioning. He is a franchise cornerstone that’s in top 10 value for franchise cornerstones: he is being paid less than six million when he is playing in the 8-9 million league for defenseman. All this comes with a 25 year old right shot ‘ unicorn’ league guy.

His price will be, at bare minimum, a blue-chip prospect, a top 5-10 draft pick and a roster filler to even entice the blues to trade him. Or in this case, Marner and a first coming back for Jones and an AHL-er/roster filler guy for leafs. Period. Most teams will offer way more than this happily to pry Jones from CBJ.
Mar 1, 2020 at 11:54
#4
In need of a laugh
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Quoting: Lancelot
Seth Jones is worth more than Marner. Marner is great but he is overpaid ( he is a poorer version of Mark Stone) by at least 2 million. Meanwhile, before injury and encompassing most of the season, Seth Jones has put a body of work that’s nearly Norris trophy conversation and he is the next batch of peaking ultra-elite D man who has it all: amazing at PK, can run the PP great ( ideal 2nd PP QB at worst, only if Hughes or Karlsson of old are running the 1st unit), big, strong, fast, great shot, good passing, calm under pressure, good positioning. He is a franchise cornerstone that’s in top 10 value for franchise cornerstones: he is being paid less than six million when he is playing in the 8-9 million league for defenseman. All this comes with a 25 year old right shot ‘ unicorn’ league guy.

His price will be, at bare minimum, a blue-chip prospect, a top 5-10 draft pick and a roster filler to even entice the blues to trade him. Or in this case, Marner and a first coming back for Jones and an AHL-er/roster filler guy for leafs. Period. Most teams will offer way more than this happily to pry Jones from CBJ.


While I agree with this, there's quite strong likelihood that Jones is leaving the team as UFA in only two years time, making it quite sensible for them to move him now if they want to secure getting the top value...

Marner alone is not going to be enough, but in my right mind I can't say that TOR don't need to add much.

Anderson and Dermott is a wash, so it only comes to what CBJ wants in a Marner+ type of deal for Jones. That is, if they feel that they should consider moving him.
Mar 2, 2020 at 12:20
#5
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Counter offer- Savard and Anderson for Holl and Kerfoot.

Also Columbus needs a center... not more wings.
Mar 2, 2020 at 12:58
#6
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Let's agree to disagree. Marner is a blue chip. No way the Leafs trade 5 years of their franchise player for 2 years of Seth Jones.
Mar 2, 2020 at 1:41
#7
Billy739
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Quoting: leaflet
Let's agree to disagree. Marner is a blue chip. No way the Leafs trade 5 years of their franchise player for 2 years of Seth Jones.


What happened , did Matthews die?
I kinda figured he was your Franchise guy .

I mean totally get Marner> Matthews as he'll want to stay when his deals done but AM is gone back to USA IMO
Mar 2, 2020 at 2:56
#8
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Quoting: Billy739
What happened , did Matthews die?
I kinda figured he was your Franchise guy .

I mean totally get Marner> Matthews as he'll want to stay when his deals done but AM is gone back to USA IMO


I think so too...
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Mar 2, 2020 at 2:57
#9
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Quoting: Lancelot
Seth Jones is worth more than Marner. Marner is great but he is overpaid ( he is a poorer version of Mark Stone) by at least 2 million. Meanwhile, before injury and encompassing most of the season, Seth Jones has put a body of work that’s nearly Norris trophy conversation and he is the next batch of peaking ultra-elite D man who has it all: amazing at PK, can run the PP great ( ideal 2nd PP QB at worst, only if Hughes or Karlsson of old are running the 1st unit), big, strong, fast, great shot, good passing, calm under pressure, good positioning. He is a franchise cornerstone that’s in top 10 value for franchise cornerstones: he is being paid less than six million when he is playing in the 8-9 million league for defenseman. All this comes with a 25 year old right shot ‘ unicorn’ league guy.

His price will be, at bare minimum, a blue-chip prospect, a top 5-10 draft pick and a roster filler to even entice the blues to trade him. Or in this case, Marner and a first coming back for Jones and an AHL-er/roster filler guy for leafs. Period. Most teams will offer way more than this happily to pry Jones from CBJ.


End of the day, no1 wants to sign with CLB, they r getting players thru trade with term.....im just hoping the tdot hype has spread thru the league n we can get a quick swap. does every1 else know that Marner cant shoot?
Mar 2, 2020 at 7:55
#10
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
While I agree with this, there's quite strong likelihood that Jones is leaving the team as UFA in only two years time, making it quite sensible for them to move him now if they want to secure getting the top value...

Marner alone is not going to be enough, but in my right mind I can't say that TOR don't need to add much.

Anderson and Dermott is a wash, so it only comes to what CBJ wants in a Marner+ type of deal for Jones. That is, if they feel that they should consider moving him.


Quoting: Leafloyalist
End of the day, no1 wants to sign with CLB, they r getting players thru trade with term.....im just hoping the tdot hype has spread thru the league n we can get a quick swap. does every1 else know that Marner cant shoot?


Seth Jones is not going anywhere. He will be the next captain of the Jackets as soon as Foligno leaves. Jones loves Columbus. So that's not a problem either.
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Mar 2, 2020 at 1:26
#11
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The answer to any and every Seth Jones trade proposal is always no.
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Mar 2, 2020 at 5:23
#12
JarmoK
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
there's quite strong likelihood that Jones is leaving the team as UFA in only two years time.


Source?
Mar 2, 2020 at 7:50
#13
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Quoting: JarmoK
Source?


Just guessing here.

As of late, their UFAs have been leaving the team. (see panarin, bob, duchene and dzingel for example)
Mar 2, 2020 at 9:54
#14
JarmoK
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Just guessing here.

As of late, their UFAs have been leaving the team. (see panarin, bob, duchene and dzingel for example)


Two UFA rentals were gone before they even got traded here. Bob was upset with coaching and management, Panarin wanted NYC. Nyquist signed here for less than he could have gotten elsewhere, Atkinson extended a couple years ago. One free agency ≠ a trend. Take this bull**** elsewhere
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Mar 2, 2020 at 11:08
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Quoting: JarmoK
Two UFA rentals were gone before they even got traded here. Bob was upset with coaching and management, Panarin wanted NYC. Nyquist signed here for less than he could have gotten elsewhere, Atkinson extended a couple years ago. One free agency ≠ a trend. Take this bull**** elsewhere


Lmao chill
Mar 3, 2020 at 12:32
#16
JarmoK
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Lmao chill


It’s a tired and lazy narrative that people don’t want to play in Columbus
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Mar 4, 2020 at 2:55
#17
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Quoting: Leafloyalist
End of the day, no1 wants to sign with CLB, they r getting players thru trade with term.....im just hoping the tdot hype has spread thru the league n we can get a quick swap. does every1 else know that Marner cant shoot?


short answer is yes and he is definitely not worth 11 million. With the cap being 10% lower, pure playmakers like Henrik Sedin made 7-8 million, ie, almost 40% less. Sure, Marner kills penalties but the leafs are an ordinary pk team and he isn’t a top tier PKer either. In most cup run teams he is either a spare part or 2nd unit PKer at best. He is a less physical, far less goal scoring, less defensively adept and a bit better playmaking version of Mark Stone. Who costs a whopping 2 million less.

My point is, Jones still has 2 more seasons left on his contract after this and at THIS point, there is no package leafs can send short of one including Auston Matthews for CBJ to even sniff at a Leafs offer. Either that or a Phil Kassel-esque 3 1R + prospects type deal. And the leafs don’t have a first this year either. So why trade for next years first when teams can dangle a first this year and far cheaper blue chip prospects ? The moment Jones gets shopped or even offered at, CBJ picks up the phone across the league to see if someone matches and at least six teams will offer something way better than the leafs can, because well, one of THE elite RHD who is 25 and has more than a decade life expectancy as a NHL-er left will be a feeding frenzy. Just to give you an example, Colorado can dangle 2020 1st, Johnson and Connor Timmins without even trying too hard and it’s automatically a better offer than what leafs can match.
Mar 4, 2020 at 3:02
#18
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
While I agree with this, there's quite strong likelihood that Jones is leaving the team as UFA in only two years time, making it quite sensible for them to move him now if they want to secure getting the top value...

Marner alone is not going to be enough, but in my right mind I can't say that TOR don't need to add much.

Anderson and Dermott is a wash, so it only comes to what CBJ wants in a Marner+ type of deal for Jones. That is, if they feel that they should consider moving him.


He has 2 more seasons to go. He is 25. Had his first decent brush with a multi month injury layoff. Why on earth would CBJ want to move him now, instead of a year from now or more ? His value doesn’t drop much, even at 22 trade deadline, especially if he has a tacit agreement to sign with the trading team before the trade. A sort of sign and trade deal at worst coz he is super hot commodity.

No chance CBJ trades him without a R1 coming back, unless it’s literally an ELC level rising superstar like Pettersson/Makar/Hughes level guy. And Tdot doesn’t have a R1 this year. Only chance they take a 2021 R1 is if it’s a team like DET/OTT who have a high chance of not making even next years playoffs right now and it’s therefore guaranteed to be a top 10 pick at the least. Players like Jones don’t come often and there are overall maybe 3-5 players of his caliber in the league, in a position almost every team wishes to improve on: right shot right side defenseman.
 
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