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Team: 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 21, 2020
Published: Mar. 21, 2020
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The Avs could win multiple Stanley Cups in the next decade. Everyone could take a team friendly deal like MacKinnon.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$9,000,000
8$4,500,000
2$1,750,000
5$2,000,000
5$3,500,000
2$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,500,000
5$3,500,000
3$2,000,000
5$6,500,000
5$5,500,000
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1.
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    MTL
    1. Compher, J.T.
    2. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
    3. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
    2.
    COL
    1. Marner, Mitchell ($1,983,000 retained)
    TOR
    1. Bowers, Shane
    2. Donskoi, Joonas ($1,900,000 retained)
    3. Grubauer, Philipp
    4. Timmins, Conor [RFA Rights]
    5. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
    6. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
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    20$90,000,000$90,443,963$1,741,463$2,925,000-$443,963

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    LW, C
    UFA - 8
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    $6,300,000$6,300,000
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
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    $9,250,000$9,250,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 4
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
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    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $8,920,000$8,920,000
    RW
    UFA - 4
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    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    C
    UFA - 2
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    $925,000$925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    RW
    RFA - 2
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    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 1
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    $2,000,000$2,000,000
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    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LD
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    $9,000,000$9,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 6
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    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 6
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    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    RD
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 2
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    $900,000$900,000
    G
    UFA - 1
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    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
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    Mar. 21, 2020 at 4:06 p.m.
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    If you want Marner we would need to give up more like Byram, or Newhook. also Toronto wouldn't want Donskoi. he is just more unnecessary cap.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 4:08 p.m.
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    Not enough for Domi, don’t need the dirtbag who hurt our minty fresh KK.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 4:16 p.m.
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    avs need to add
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 4:27 p.m.
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    avs need to add


    Quoting: Habs_Hfx10
    Not enough for Domi, don’t need the dirtbag who hurt our minty fresh KK.


    Not much... Domi isn't worth much and the first being in there alone should draw some interest. Compher becomes a 3C and Zadorov fits in to your bottom 4. The choice of assets might not be preferred but the value shouldn't need much adjustment.

    He certainly in no world is worth 7M though. erase a million now.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Not much... Domi isn't worth much and the first being in there alone should draw some interest. Compher becomes a 3C and Zadorov fits in to your bottom 4. The choice of assets might not be preferred but the value shouldn't need much adjustment.

    He certainly in no world is worth 7M though. erase a million now.


    i probably wouldnt trade domi now unless its an overpay
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 4:38 p.m.
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    Domi isn't worth much

    I disagree Domi plays with a lot of heart and is very skilled. He was inconsistent this season only because he was trying too hard. When the whole team plays well Max thrives. His 70+ point season was no fluke and once the Habs get some of there prospects going he will exceed that. Byram and Timmins are the only D men Habs would take, we need a good offensive d-man.
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    Mar. 21, 2020 at 4:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: habs_fan123
    i probably wouldnt trade domi now unless its an overpay


    why do habs fans think that all of their players are overpay quality.

    i see that he might not "need" to be moved, but I don't see any teams overpaying for him. His value is at a low, not a high.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    why do habs fans think that all of their players are overpay quality.

    i see that he might not "need" to be moved, but I don't see any teams overpaying for him. His value is at a low, not a high.


    exactly

    i think that the habs should keep him and he shouldnt be traded bc his value is at a low and only trade him if a team is willing to overpay
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    Mar. 21, 2020 at 5:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: Teemu_salami
    If you want Marner we would need to give up more like Byram, or Newhook. also Toronto wouldn't want Donskoi. he is just more unnecessary cap.


    Newhook is a possibility but not Byram. Avs need him. Leafs could probably get more but honestly seems like a pretty good return. A top 4 RHD, a top 9C, a future starting goalie & 1st. Also I think Donskoi is decent. Some nice hands.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 5:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: habs_fan123
    i probably wouldnt trade domi now unless its an overpay


    I mean if it's because there's no 3C then we'd still be able to trade him:

    Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
    Drouin - Suzuki - Armia
    Byron - Weal - Lehkonen
    Hudon - Evans - Weise
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 5:17 p.m.
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    Edited Mar. 21, 2020 at 8:45 p.m. by toque
    Quoting: habs_fan123
    avs need to add


    Quoting: Habs_Hfx10
    Domi isn't worth much

    I disagree Domi plays with a lot of heart and is very skilled. He was inconsistent this season only because he was trying too hard. When the whole team plays well Max thrives. His 70+ point season was no fluke and once the Habs get some of there prospects going he will exceed that. Byram and Timmins are the only D men Habs would take, we need a good offensive d-man.


    I agree that Domi is a great player with elite potential, but I think you are undervaluing the package Colorado is giving. Compher is a really good defensive Forward. Even though Zadorov is dirty, he’s still a very solid defenseman. Especially with Romanov coming up you’d have one of the best defensive cores in the league.
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    Mar. 21, 2020 at 5:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: MaxDomi13
    I mean if it's because there's no 3C then we'd still be able to trade him:

    Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
    Drouin - Suzuki - Armia
    Byron - Weal - Lehkonen
    Hudon - Evans - Weise


    id also try to see if he could develop on wing
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 5:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    I agree that Domi is a great player with elite potential, but I think you are undervaluing the package Colorado is giving. Compher is a really good defensive Forward. Even though Zadorov is dirty, he’s still a very solid defenseman. Especially with Romanov coming up you’d have one of the best defensive cores in the league.


    Is Zadorov the player they need? He has a similar style (or role) as Chiarot and Romanov on the left side. Even Mete tends to play a safe and solid game. I think that they'd prefer a more attacking D. They already have depth at forward, but they need more high end skills. Domi provides somewhat that, in the Habs context. Plus, with the expansion draft next year, I'm not sure that it's a wise idea to bring more players to protect. In a vacuum, I think that the proposal is fair, but in their context, it doesn't help them much. Unless a team propose a young LHD with powerplay/attacking/puck moving abilities in a 1v1 trade, they should keep Domi.
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    Mar. 21, 2020 at 6:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: sala91
    Is Zadorov the player they need? He has a similar style (or role) as Chiarot and Romanov on the left side. Even Mete tends to play a safe and solid game. I think that they'd prefer a more attacking D. They already have depth at forward, but they need more high end skills. Domi provides somewhat that, in the Habs context. Plus, with the expansion draft next year, I'm not sure that it's a wise idea to bring more players to protect. In a vacuum, I think that the proposal is fair, but in their context, it doesn't help them much. Unless a team propose a young LHD with powerplay/attacking/puck moving abilities in a 1v1 trade, they should keep Domi.


    I guess you are right. However, Montreal already have Danault, Kotkaniemi, Suzuki & Poehling at center. That makes Domi expendable. I get the need for an offensive defenseman, but I’d rather have 6 physical two way guys that can shut top players down. Colorado isn’t willing to give up Byram for Marner, I doubt they would for Domi either:
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 6:57 p.m.
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    So much wrong here. Newhook will go back to BC, Graves no way in hell gets an 8 yr deal, Nichushkin isn’t signing a 5x2 deal, no way Burakovsky signs a 5yr extension with no raise, probably not re-signing Namestikov much less give him a 5 yr deal, you GAVE away Francouz, MTL is probably saying no, and Toronto to move Marner is going to be asking Byram +.
    In this configuration god help them if anybody gets hurt, especially Grubauer.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 7:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: habs_fan123
    i probably wouldnt trade domi now unless its an overpay


    I’ve said this about a lot of players, they are worth more to their existing teams then people think and to pry them loose it takes an over pay.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 7:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Newhook is a possibility but not Byram. Avs need him. Leafs could probably get more but honestly seems like a pretty good return. A top 4 RHD, a top 9C, a future starting goalie & 1st. Also I think Donskoi is decent. Some nice hands.


    Re: Newhook. IMO and I’ve heard others say similar things is that the Avs core (read basically untouchable) is MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Byram, Newhook. Byram and Newhook not only because they are expected to be good, but because of their ELC’s because big contract coming for Makar, a big raise for Burakovsky, and significant raises for Landeskog, Graves and maybe even Nichushkin. Plus a decision has to be made between Grubauer or Francouz the winner likely to get a very healthy raise as well.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 7:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    i have no clue what this means.


    Bergevin said after the 2020 TDL he didn’t want 1st round pick for Petry and Tatar, he wants NHL ready prospect, so the 1st doesn’t get is attention
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 7:16 p.m.
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    Bergevin said after the 2020 TDL he didn’t want 1st round pick for Petry and Tatar, he wants NHL ready prospect, so the 1st doesn’t get is attention


    thanks for explaining properly.

    however... the first can be flipped. TB and Vegas both spent last year accumulating picks and prospects to use later on. I really don't think you will get the package you think you can get for Domi. 40 point guys don't get monster packages, and he only did have one good year. This package in terms of value is very good, and Compher fits your team like a glove. Just flip the first for something that meets your team better. Nobody will be paying established assets for Domi in a 1 for 1.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 7:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    Re: Newhook. IMO and I’ve heard others say similar things is that the Avs core (read basically untouchable) is MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Byram, Newhook. Byram and Newhook not only because they are expected to be good, but because of their ELC’s because big contract coming for Makar, a big raise for Burakovsky, and significant raises for Landeskog, Graves and maybe even Nichushkin. Plus a decision has to be made between Grubauer or Francouz the winner likely to get a very healthy raise as well.


    Yeah I guess you are right they will all get big raises. Makar will probably get 11 million, Landeskog 10 & Burakovsky 6 in a real market.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 7:25 p.m.
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    thanks for explaining properly.

    however... the first can be flipped. TB and Vegas both spent last year accumulating picks and prospects to use later on. I really don't think you will get the package you think you can get for Domi. 40 point guys don't get monster packages, and he only did have one good year. This package in terms of value is very good, and Compher fits your team like a glove. Just flip the first for something that meets your team better. Nobody will be paying established assets for Domi in a 1 for 1.


    One good season but the others it’s 50 points, so pretty good + he did 72 points player with half the year Drouin-Shaw the other half Lehkonen-Shaw. So let’s say WPG or COL bringing Domi, he’ll play with way more talented winger ( Drouin was good tho ) then Lehkonen and Shaw
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 7:33 p.m.
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    One good season but the others it’s 50 points, so pretty good + he did 72 points player with half the year Drouin-Shaw the other half Lehkonen-Shaw. So let’s say WPG or COL bringing Domi, he’ll play with way more talented winger ( Drouin was good tho ) then Lehkonen and Shaw


    Teams don't pay over what he might be though - they pay based on what he is. You might be correct in saying his points will rise, but nobody will pay more strictly on that.

    What's your ideal (any team) trade for Domi. I want to see where your head is at here.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 9:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Yeah I guess you are right they will all get big raises. Makar will probably get 11 million, Landeskog 10 & Burakovsky 6 in a real market.

    11 is high for Makar (maybe), I think Landeskog is closer to 8, $10M is a ppg player something he isn’t.
    Mar. 21, 2020 at 11:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Teams don't pay over what he might be though - they pay based on what he is. You might be correct in saying his points will rise, but nobody will pay more strictly on that.

    What's your ideal (any team) trade for Domi. I want to see where your head is at here.


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    Mar. 22, 2020 at 1:25 a.m.
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    Newhook


    yikes
     
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