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Hall Doesnt Help but ReSigns

Created by: OldNYIfan
Team: 2020-21 Arizona Coyotes
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 21, 2020
Published: Mar. 21, 2020
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Some teams deserve a little luck for a $#!&ing change.

1. Arizona misses the playoffs.

2. Arizona wins the third-overall-pick lottery.

3. Taylor Hall re-ups with the Coyotes.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$3,000,000
3$1,500,000
3$1,500,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$9,142,857
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Byfield, Quinton
3$925,000
Faber, Brock
3$833,333
Trades
1.
ARI
  1. 2020 1st round pick (ARI)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (ARI)
NJD
  1. 2021 1st round pick (ARI)
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (ARI)
2.
ARI
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Raanta, Antti
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If Washington lets Holtby leave, the Caps will need a back-up to Samsonov
3.
WPG
  1. Stepan, Derek
Additional Details:
Winnipeg gets a temporary replacement for Bryan Little
4.
TOR
  1. Demers, Jason
Additional Details:
Anyone who needs this one explained hasn't been paying attention
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
25$83,500,000$81,451,475$196,951$1,750,000$2,048,525
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$9,142,857$9,142,857
LW
UFA - 1
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$5,850,000$5,850,000
RW, C
UFA - 6
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$6,800,000$6,800,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$7,150,000$7,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
UFA - 5
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$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,533,333$1,533,333
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$2,280,000$2,280,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$3,350,000$3,350,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$1,750,000$2M)
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Byfield, Quinton
$925,000$925,000
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$925,000$925,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,260,000$7,260,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$5,475,000$5,475,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
G
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
RD
RFA - 4
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,275,000$5,275,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1

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Mar. 21, 2020 at 8:33 p.m.
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Every team rejects let me explain
1. Hall wants to go to a contender
2. The chances of you winning 3rd is low
3. Fischier rejects that
4. New Jersey ain't trading 3rd overall
5. Washington needs cap and is not taking Raanta. They can sign a backup if they need 2
6. Winnepeg needs cap so not taking an expensive players they would rather keep Copp
7. Leafs don't need Demers he is to expensive and they are in cap hell
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Mar. 21, 2020 at 8:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Hockeytor15

1. Hall wants to go to a contender
4. New Jersey ain't trading 3rd overall
6. Winnepeg needs cap so not taking an expensive players they would rather keep Copp
7. Leafs don't need Demers he is to expensive and they are in cap hell


Maybe can convince him they're close... ... Maybe... ...
That pick is top 3 protected, they'd have to
WPG doesn't need cap, if (in this scenario) Little is done, that's 5.5, plus what apparently nobody in this site understands, BYF'S CONTRACT DOES NOT HURT THE JETS, HE WILL NOT PLAY FOR THEM (99.99999% he won't) SO HE CAN GO ON LTIR IF HE DOES REPORT, OR IF HE DOESN'T, THEY CAN SUSPEND HIM AGAIN (the Jets just reject bc Copp>>>>>>>>>>>Stepan)
Not gonna argue, they don't really need another number 4 guy, but Demers' contract isn't bad at all, it's fair value imo
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Mar. 21, 2020 at 8:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Hockeytor15
Every team rejects let me explain
1. Hall wants to go to a contender
2. The chances of you winning 3rd is low
3. Fischier rejects that
4. New Jersey ain't trading 3rd overall
5. Washington needs cap and is not taking Raanta. They can sign a backup if they need 2
6. Winnepeg needs cap so not taking an expensive players they would rather keep Copp
7. Leafs don't need Demers he is to expensive and they are in cap hell


Just to correct two of your more erroneous statements, no one is suggesting that New Jersey would dream of trading 3rd overall, Arizona gets it via the lottery, and literally dozens of constructions by more informed Toronto guys like @SammyT51 , @Jamiepo and @palhal demonstrate that with Ceci and Barrie departing, Toronto won't have cap problems next year. And unless you're living with Taylor Hall, you don't know where he wants to go.
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Mar. 21, 2020 at 8:43 p.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Maybe can convince him they're close... ... Maybe... ...
That pick is top 3 protected, they'd have to
WPG doesn't need cap, if (in this scenario) Little is done, that's 5.5, plus what apparently nobody in this site understands, BYF'S CONTRACT DOES NOT HURT THE JETS, HE WILL NOT PLAY FOR THEM (99.99999% he won't) SO HE CAN GO ON LTIR IF HE DOES REPORT, OR IF HE DOESN'T, THEY CAN SUSPEND HIM AGAIN (the Jets just reject bc Copp>>>>>>>>>>>Stepan)
Not gonna argue, they don't really need another number 4 guy, but Demers' contract isn't bad at all, it's fair value imo


You know, my friend, some people just aren't upbeat like you and me.
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Mar. 21, 2020 at 9:05 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
You know, my friend, some people just aren't upbeat like you and me.


Yay positivity and humour!

I really like Engvall, so as a Leafs fan this kills me. But I definitely see how it could work, and I agree that the Leafs cap situation isn't as dire as some people make it out to be.
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Mar. 21, 2020 at 9:16 p.m.
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I completely agree that the Coyotes are in need of some luck, and them landing Byfield would be an answer to their prayers. I also think that the addition of Byfield could make it more likely that Hall stays, given that I think the other team that will be hard in pursuit of him in the offseason will be the Islanders. Moving out enough money would be an issue, but I think that they could rid themselves of Raanta, Demers and Stepan to make it happen as you've done here. Well done
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Mar. 21, 2020 at 10:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Hockeytor15
Every team rejects let me explain
1. Hall wants to go to a contender
2. The chances of you winning 3rd is low
3. Fischier rejects that
4. New Jersey ain't trading 3rd overall
5. Washington needs cap and is not taking Raanta. They can sign a backup if they need 2
6. Winnepeg needs cap so not taking an expensive players they would rather keep Copp
7. Leafs don't need Demers he is to expensive and they are in cap hell


Yotes' 1st round pick is top 3 protected
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Mar. 21, 2020 at 11:36 p.m.
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Demers, Jason
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Anyone who needs this one explained hasn't been paying attention.

More fantasy that the Leafs need more bottom six Dmen. Leafs don't need the overpaid Demers.
Mar. 22, 2020 at 12:44 a.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Maybe can convince him they're close... ... Maybe... ...
That pick is top 3 protected, they'd have to
WPG doesn't need cap, if (in this scenario) Little is done, that's 5.5, plus what apparently nobody in this site understands, BYF'S CONTRACT DOES NOT HURT THE JETS, HE WILL NOT PLAY FOR THEM (99.99999% he won't) SO HE CAN GO ON LTIR IF HE DOES REPORT, OR IF HE DOESN'T, THEY CAN SUSPEND HIM AGAIN (the Jets just reject bc Copp>>>>>>>>>>>Stepan)
Not gonna argue, they don't really need another number 4 guy, but Demers' contract isn't bad at all, it's fair value imo


Dustin Byfuglien contract was mutually terminated wtf are you talking about here?
Mar. 22, 2020 at 12:59 a.m.
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Just to correct two of your more erroneous statements, no one is suggesting that New Jersey would dream of trading 3rd overall, Arizona gets it via the lottery, and literally dozens of constructions by more informed Toronto guys like @SammyT51 , @Jamiepo and @palhal demonstrate that with Ceci and Barrie departing, Toronto won't have cap problems next year. And unless you're living with Taylor Hall, you don't know where he wants to go.


I'm not sure how you get to that conclusion.
Look go to the team page and look at their cap numbers.
at 84 they got 7 mil in space.
But there is a lot of talk of a flat cap. The cap staying at 81.5 and there being a buyout.
How true is that or not no one knows. But they did lose revenue this year so I think expecting 84 is pushing it.
You knock that 84 down, you look at the number of holes to fill, you got 9 forwards signed. Superman needs a new contract which will be a bump. So you are at 10 and 3 more forwards.
Then you look at defense and you got 3 holes to fill.
I mean, 7 mil cap space with all those holes doesn't equal a lot. Especially if you are wanting any real help on the blue line. Even if you fill those other 3 forwards at close to league min that's 1.5 million. Superman probably gets over 1 million so thats 2.5 mil. That's down to 4.5 million for 3 defense men. You don't think that's cap hell? Even bad defense men are making 2 million a year.
TOR needs to trade a guy out to make cap space. I'm about positive on that, if they want to improve their defense. Otherwise, they going with those young guys again and same results next year.
Mar. 22, 2020 at 2:01 a.m.
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Quoting: Hockeytor15
Every team rejects let me explain

3. Fischier rejects that
5. Washington needs cap and is not taking Raanta. They can sign a backup if they need 2
6. Winnepeg needs cap so not taking an expensive players they would rather keep Copp


Fischier is crap. He shouldn't make a six figure contract. If he doesn't take that, ARI should let him walk.
WSH more so just doesn't need a backup. Copley is fine in that role. Raanta and his cap are of minimal impact considering most free agent goalies are worse and would demand similar
WPG might consider Stepan, but not for Copp. Perreault would be in there somewhere.

Your other points stand
Mar. 22, 2020 at 2:07 a.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Just to correct two of your more erroneous statements, no one is suggesting that New Jersey would dream of trading 3rd overall, Arizona gets it via the lottery, and literally dozens of constructions by more informed Toronto guys like @SammyT51 , @Jamiepo and @palhal demonstrate that with Ceci and Barrie departing, Toronto won't have cap problems next year. And unless you're living with Taylor Hall, you don't know where he wants to go.


Leafs won’t be in cap hell, never really have been, other than losing a first to move Marleau, not the end of the world.

As far as demers... think the leafs would pass. Not that I think that contract would be hard to move. Leafs will probably need both those players next season especially with an 81.5m cap. His health has been questionable at best and he just doesn’t move the needle for a team that wants to compete.

I do think the Yotes would like to re sign Hall but who knows where he ends up at this point. Question marks all over the league, much instability. Yotes certainly have the cap space, but do they have the money?
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Mar. 22, 2020 at 2:25 a.m.
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Hall is a good player but not worth that contract. Not saying he won't get that kind of contract but he'll definitely be overpaid wherever he goes.

If I'm a GM I'm just staying away from Hall altogether.
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Mar. 22, 2020 at 6:06 a.m.
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Hall is a good player but not worth that contract. Not saying he won't get that kind of contract but he'll definitely be overpaid wherever he goes.

If I'm a GM I'm just staying away from Hall altogether.


Agree with you completely. Hall just might get the "Erik Karlsson" treatment. San Jose overpaid to acquire to EK from Ottawa. Then to justify the trade they felt to sign him as a UFA at any cost. This nonsense happens all the time. Even without the "Corona cap", a declining EK wasn't worth 11.5m X 8 years. So I believe Coyotes are the most likely team to sign Hall, just to justify the assets they gave him to acquire him mid season. Interesting that when they acquired Hall, the Coyotes were in first place (think I got it right) and now believe they are out of the playoffs.
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Mar. 22, 2020 at 10:19 a.m.
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Agree with you completely. Hall just might get the "Erik Karlsson" treatment. San Jose overpaid to acquire to EK from Ottawa. Then to justify the trade they felt to sign him as a UFA at any cost. This nonsense happens all the time. Even without the "Corona cap", a declining EK wasn't worth 11.5m X 8 years. So I believe Coyotes are the most likely team to sign Hall, just to justify the assets they gave him to acquire him mid season. Interesting that when they acquired Hall, the Coyotes were in first place (think I got it right) and now believe they are out of the playoffs.


Hehe!
People have been making jokes about whatever team Hall goes to, it becomes a lottery team. The thing is, that is fact funny or not. That MVP season is the outlier season and to think a team is going to pay him based on that.

Smh..
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Mar. 22, 2020 at 10:49 a.m.
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I completely agree that the Coyotes are in need of some luck, and them landing Byfield would be an answer to their prayers. I also think that the addition of Byfield could make it more likely that Hall stays, given that I think the other team that will be hard in pursuit of him in the offseason will be the Islanders. Moving out enough money would be an issue, but I think that they could rid themselves of Raanta, Demers and Stepan to make it happen as you've done here. Well done


Bingo!
Mar. 22, 2020 at 3:14 p.m.
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I'm not sure how you get to that conclusion.
Look go to the team page and look at their cap numbers.
at 84 they got 7 mil in space.
But there is a lot of talk of a flat cap. The cap staying at 81.5 and there being a buyout.
How true is that or not no one knows. But they did lose revenue this year so I think expecting 84 is pushing it.
You knock that 84 down, you look at the number of holes to fill, you got 9 forwards signed. Superman needs a new contract which will be a bump. So you are at 10 and 3 more forwards.
Then you look at defense and you got 3 holes to fill.
I mean, 7 mil cap space with all those holes doesn't equal a lot. Especially if you are wanting any real help on the blue line. Even if you fill those other 3 forwards at close to league min that's 1.5 million. Superman probably gets over 1 million so thats 2.5 mil. That's down to 4.5 million for 3 defense men. You don't think that's cap hell? Even bad defense men are making 2 million a year.
TOR needs to trade a guy out to make cap space. I'm about positive on that, if they want to improve their defense. Otherwise, they going with those young guys again and same results next year.


As much as I hate to admit it, you're right about sending Demers to Toronto. The Maple Leafs have $7 million in cap space (under $84 million) with Dermott and 6 bottom-six forwards to add. (Rielly, Holl, Muzzin, Liljegren, Sandin, Marincin and Rosen are under contract, with one of the latter two likely to go to the AHL.) That doesn't require much beyond getting Dermott to sign for $2 million or less, but adding Demers' cap hit of $3.975 puts them in the position of having to trade someone significant.
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