Sorokin is untouchable , isles signed varlamov to help him transition to NA

Barzal is not worth 11.5M right now.. however in the later years it may look like a steal.

That's an awful deal.
I'm not a fan of guys who are barely breaking 20 goals getting 10 million a year.
7-8 is really where I see him at, at this point. If he was taking over games netting 30+ goals a season we could talk that number. But he's not.

I'd rather ride it out with the goalies Ottawa has and see which ones pan out than make a big trade for a goalie who wouldn't come to Ottawa anyway.

Barzal should get the same deal as Aho or close to that. Giving him 11.5 would be a massive mistake.

Your gonna have to give us a defenseman in order for us to buyout Boychuck

In the words of Stephen A. .... Hell no HELL NO!

Well the market has changed. Before, only elite goal scorers were getting paid. Now, pure playmakers are getting recognition as well. If Marner got 11, no reason why Barzal should make less, especially if it’s longer term. Barzal is the better player anyway.

Better or not is kind of relative isn't it.
I mean look, Marner got paid after a 94 point season. Barzel, had 62 last year and was on pace for maybe 70 some this year.
I don't think NYI are making that mistake. Barzel had one pretty good season 2 years ago. But you haven't seen that level of play out of him since. I mean if you want comparable, he's just as equally in the range of say what Nylander got. Which was 7. Maybe a little more which gets you 8.

Well we have to keep in mind that Barzal plays in a defensive system plus isn’t surrounded by elite players like Marner & Nylander are in Toronto. That’s why Barzal’s numbers aren’t that good. He is the Islanders’ top player & they should do everything it takes to lock him up. Even if it’s an overpay.

Almost every players numbers on the islanders have declined since trotz has become head coach. The Islanders play a very defensive minded game, which has helped barzal develop into a more well rounded player but his numbers have taken a hit. This will probably help the islanders during contract negotiations, but barzal is not a 72 pt player on most other teams. He also doesn’t play with any elite forwards or guys you would consider Snipers. Wahlstrom on the team next season should help barzal a lot.

Marners contract is an outlier - I’d bet barzal gets somewhere from 9.25-9.75 x 6 years.

I don't buy the "system" nonsense. He also has solid line mates. Eberle and Lee are good players. No neither is JT but he also has more help on the blue line.
There is no doubt he's the Islanders top player. But the rest is just excuses. It's not like McDavid has or had all the help in the world either. So lets not split hairs on it.
The guy is a roughly 20 goal and a bunch of assist guy. He has yet to prove he's a guy who can crack 40 goals. You go looking at the guys getting that 10+ million.
Most of them if they are forwards are 40 goal guys. Then you got a few guys like Panarin where there are no excuses, he gets his 80+ points consistently.
I mean you got Toews in there but I think most people would tell you that's a bad contract. Same with Kopitar.
Eichel was on a consistent 30 goal pace hampered by injury.
Seguin was a upper 30s 40 goal guy.
Stone is probably over paid but you get more out of a 6'3 guy who plays a heavy game.
Benn is a upper 30s 40 goal guy.
Mikko had 31 last year, and on pace to close to 40 this year.
Skinner cracked 40 the year he got his deal, and was a guy who had netted 30 a few times.
Leon netted 29 the year before he signed his, and look he's a 50 goal guy now.
Stamkos had netted 60 at one point.
Crosby is freaking Crosby.
Ovi is clearly a 40+ goal guy.

You can say what you want, but if you want that kind of money you better damn well F ing score.
Otherwise that contract starts to look like Kopitar and Toews. And no team wants that.
Not that I'm saying he is. But he hasn't earned the 10 million mark. His highest season is 22 goals.

All I’m saying is stone is not overpaid lol - he is without a doubt top 5 winger in the game in terms of overall value.

Which I said, you get more out of him because of the heavy game. But if you look at the numbers due to injury he's never cracked 30 goals. So based on the numbers the production isn't there to justify a 9 mil salary. You get that justification on everything else he brings.
But you don't get his game with Barzal.

Your stupid if you think he’s getting less than 10 mil

I guess you are right man.

Offersheet of 10.5Mx5 years would be quickly matched (rather than two 1sts and a 2nd compensation). So I don't see why he would take anything less than 10.5M for 6 years.

He might take 8.5-9M for 3 years

First a team has to offersheet him, which is still pretty unlikely.

Rantanen signed for 9.25 x 6 after putting up 87 points in 74 games, and barzal is worth around the same AAV for half the years??

Point and Tkachuk signed for 6.75/7 AAV over 3 years.

On a 3 year deal barzal would get 6.75-7.25 AAV.

when you have no argument so you revert to name calling like a Jack A$$
Do yourself a favor and just delete your account now.

He's not getting 10. He hasn't put up the numbers to justify 10.

Tkachuk and Point took discounts (Point refused to look at offersheets)

Barzal is a center, centers get paid more than wingers.

First a team has to offersheet him, which is still pretty unlikely (actually on TSN they said that some teams are already preparing offersheet).

The lowest I can see him getting for 3 years is 8.454M (Aho money). The compensation would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Anything less than that would be him doing a favor for the team (although you fans wouldn't even appreciate it)

You can have the 2 1sts and 2nd round pick then...

If he’s getting Aho money, he’s also getting Aho years.

“Although you fans wouldn’t even appreciate it” - you seem bitter

The Canes said they were willing to pay Aho 9.5Mx5. They were just lowballing him and were happy when he signed the offersheet.

By the way, you should know by now that TSN and other outlets say every year that teams are preparing offer sheets. How often does that happen?

Just because the canes said they were willing to sign him for that much doesn’t mean that’s what they intended to do. It means nothing.


Barzal will get a fair deal and the centers that just signed contracts will be his comparables, whether they took discounts or not is irrelevant - they set the market.

Point >barzal . Taking into account no state income tax and the fact that point is better than barzal, the most barzal should be getting on a 3 year deal is 7.25 AAV

Aho>barzal . doesn’t matter if the canes intended to sign him 9.5 x 5, they didn’t and he signed 8.454 x 5 . If barzal signs for that same AAV , he doesn’t get 2 less years. That’s not how this works.

Acutally offer sheets happen more often than you think. It's just that the players often tern them down so they aren't presented to the media. Marner got a 12.5Mx7 offer from the Blue Jackets but turned it down because it was too much term.

The Habs offer sheeted Point but he didn't want to play in Montreal.