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2 Trades COL NSH MTL and a Compliance Buyout Good for up to 78 mil cap

Created by: Sagecoll
Initial Creation Date: Mar 23, 2020
Published: Mar 25 at 1:14 pm
Team: 2020-21 New York Rangers
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Lundkvist, Nils3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Deangelo, Anthony6$5,850,000
Lemieux, Brendan2$1,450,000
Georgiev, Alexandar2$1,850,000
Jost, Tyson3$2,150,000
Zadorov, Nikita3$3,850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Noesen, Stefan1$900,000
LaDue, Paul1$700,000
Trades
NYR
  1. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  2. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
COL
  1. Strome, Ryan [RFA Rights]
  2. Hájek, Libor
  3. Howden, Brett
NYR
    Compliance Buyout
    ANA
    1. Lundqvist, Henrik
    NYR
    1. Johansen, Ryan
    Additional Details:
    3 team trade.
    Trouba to Montreal
    Johansen to NYR
    Domi to Nashville.
    NSH
    1. Trouba, Jacob
    Buyouts
    • Kevin Shattenkirk: $6,083,333
    • Dan Girardi: $1,111,111
    • Ryan Spooner: $300,000
    • Brad Richards: $0
    Buried
    • Brendan Smith: $3,275,000 ($4,350,000)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2020
    NYR
    CAR
    NYR
    DAL
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NSH
    VAN
    2021
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    BUF
    NYR
    OTT
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    2022
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$78,000,000$77,088,966$0$9,212,500$911,034

    Roster

    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    NYR
    Panarin, Artemi
    $11,642,857
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    NSH
    Johansen, Ryan
    $8,000,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 5
    NYR
    Kakko, Kaapo
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Kreider, Chris
    $6,500,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    NYR
    Zibanejad, Mika
    $5,350,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    NYR
    Buchnevich, Pavel
    $3,250,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    Jost, Tyson
    $2,150,000
    C, LW, RW
    RFA
    NYR
    Chytil, Filip
    $894,166
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Gauthier, Julien
    $863,333
    RW
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Lemieux, Brendan
    $1,450,000
    LW, RW
    RFA
    NYR
    Andersson, Lias
    $894,166
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Kravtsov, Vitali
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    NYR
    Lindgren, Ryan
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Fox, Adam
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Shesterkin, Igor
    $925,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Miller, K'Andre
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 3
    NYR
    Deangelo, Anthony
    $5,850,000
    RD
    RFA
    NYR
    Georgiev, Alexandar
    $1,850,000
    G
    RFA
    Zadorov, Nikita
    $3,850,000
    LD
    RFA
    NYR
    Lundkvist, Nils
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    NYR
    Staal, Marc
    $5,700,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    LaDue, Paul
    $700,000
    RD
    UFA
    Noesen, Stefan
    $900,000
    RW, LW
    UFA

    Special Teams

    Power Play 1
    Panarin, A.
    Zibanejad, M.
    Kakko, K.
    Kreider, C.
    Deangelo, A.
    Power Play 2
    Chytil, F.
    Johansen, R.
    Buchnevich, P.
    Jost, T.
    Fox, A.
    Penalty Kill 1
    Gauthier, J.
    Jost, T.
    Zadorov, N.
    Fox, A.
    Penalty Kill 2
    Andersson, L.
    Lemieux, B.
    Lindgren, R.
    Miller, K.

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    Mar 25 at 1:17
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    I dont think that package interests the Avs too much.
    Peronsally I would hate Strome as an addition, inflated offensive numbers playing top 6 minutes with Panarin, and hes not good defensively or on the PK, so hes not a 3C on a good team. I dont think hes worth the cost to get and what he would cost in his next contract

    If they do move Jost Zads, I would imagine it would be its for a quality not quantity return like you have proposed. They already have way too many guys fighting for roster spots, so adding 1 more in a 2 for 3 would create a bigger problem

    IMO, Buchnevich is the only guy I could see them targeting in a trade with the Rangers right now
    Mar 25 at 1:24
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    Wouldn't Nashville want Trouba to play behind Ellis, NYR want Domi for offense and MTL want Johansen for top line center? I don't think MTL would want Trouba, they're already set on the rightside.
    Mar 25 at 1:37
    #3
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    Edited Mar 25 at 1:43
    Quoting: coga16
    I dont think that package interests the Avs too much.


    No, I think he overpaying, i mean you have a guy who a offense powerhouse in Ryan Strome, Someone who could brakeout in Filip Chytil, and a defense defensemen prospect in Libor Hájek, for a guy who a really good underrated defenseman and a guy who slightly better than Filip Chytil. overall, just trading Strome would be enough
    Mar 25 at 1:39
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    Quoting: F50marco
    Wouldn't Nashville want Trouba to play behind Ellis, NYR want Domi for offense and MTL want Johansen for top line center? I don't think MTL would want Trouba, they're already set on the rightside.


    I'd say that's one perspective but I don't agree with it. Petry is gone after next year, Weber is a candidate for a compliance buyout (if they're not smart enough to choose Price) and Brook is coming off a mediocre season in the AHL. Romonov plays LD and he's probably the only Dman in the system with high-end top 4 potential. Meanwhile, between Suzuki, KK, Poehling and Danault I'd argue that C is a strength for the Habs.

    Meanwhile, Nashville most likely views Fabbro as a top 4 staple behind Ellis and don't want to leave him hanging on the 3rd pair. And Domi has the ability to play LW as well which helps their lineup flexibility considering Duchene, Turris and Tomasino all playing C.

    For NYR, either Domi or Johansen works, it's a toss up really. They'd take either.
    Mar 25 at 1:53
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    Quoting: coga16
    I dont think that package interests the Avs too much.
    Peronsally I would hate Strome as an addition, inflated offensive numbers playing top 6 minutes with Panarin, and hes not good defensively or on the PK, so hes not a 3C on a good team. I dont think hes worth the cost to get and what he would cost in his next contract

    If they do move Jost Zads, I would imagine it would be its for a quality not quantity return like you have proposed. They already have way too many guys fighting for roster spots, so adding 1 more in a 2 for 3 would create a bigger problem

    IMO, Buchnevich is the only guy I could see them targeting in a trade with the Rangers right now


    he's good defensively and on the PK stop just looking at stats and thinking you know what ur talking about
    Mar 25 at 2:02
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    Quoting: coga16
    I dont think that package interests the Avs too much.
    Peronsally I would hate Strome as an addition, inflated offensive numbers playing top 6 minutes with Panarin, and hes not good defensively or on the PK, so hes not a 3C on a good team. I dont think hes worth the cost to get and what he would cost in his next contract

    If they do move Jost Zads, I would imagine it would be its for a quality not quantity return like you have proposed. They already have way too many guys fighting for roster spots, so adding 1 more in a 2 for 3 would create a bigger problem

    IMO, Buchnevich is the only guy I could see them targeting in a trade with the Rangers right now


    This is a pretty lazy take I gotta say. Strome was at a 43 point pace last year as a 3rd line player with minimal PP time (well really the Rangers 3rd line last season would be Colorado's 4th line). Ryan Strome was on pace for about a 70 point season this year. That's the Panarin effect. With Panarin, Strome is basically Max Domi last year. And without Panarin, Strome is basically Max Domi this year. His defense will improve once he leaves the Rangers system, because Lindy Ruff's defensive system here in NY is terrible. You need only look at Kevin Shattenkirk and Neal Pionk to see some evidence of that.

    He's much better than you think. And he's >>>>>>Jost.
    Mar 25 at 2:57
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    Quoting: buchnevichh
    he's good defensively and on the PK stop just looking at stats and thinking you know what ur talking about


    when that was the exact assessment by other ranger fans who I have had this convo on the site about before, but sure im just being lazy when your own fan base agrees with that assessment
    Mar 25 at 2:57
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    This is a pretty lazy take I gotta say. Strome was at a 43 point pace last year as a 3rd line player with minimal PP time (well really the Rangers 3rd line last season would be Colorado's 4th line). Ryan Strome was on pace for about a 70 point season this year. That's the Panarin effect. With Panarin, Strome is basically Max Domi last year. And without Panarin, Strome is basically Max Domi this year. His defense will improve once he leaves the Rangers system, because Lindy Ruff's defensive system here in NY is terrible. You need only look at Kevin Shattenkirk and Neal Pionk to see some evidence of that.

    He's much better than you think. And he's >>>>>>Jost.


    its not a lazy take, its a common take that even some ranger fans agree with, but to each their own,
    Jost isnt in the middle 6, so what does compare Strome to him mean? Strome isnt taking Jost spot in the middle 6.
    Mar 25 at 5:57
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    I'd say that's one perspective but I don't agree with it. Petry is gone after next year, Weber is a candidate for a compliance buyout (if they're not smart enough to choose Price) and Brook is coming off a mediocre season in the AHL. Romonov plays LD and he's probably the only Dman in the system with high-end top 4 potential. Meanwhile, between Suzuki, KK, Poehling and Danault I'd argue that C is a strength for the Habs.

    Meanwhile, Nashville most likely views Fabbro as a top 4 staple behind Ellis and don't want to leave him hanging on the 3rd pair. And Domi has the ability to play LW as well which helps their lineup flexibility considering Duchene, Turris and Tomasino all playing C.

    For NYR, either Domi or Johansen works, it's a toss up really. They'd take either.


    From an outside perspective that's what you'd think but ask any Habs fan and they'd tell you they are perfectly happy with Weber and Price for the time being and moving them for nothing in return is not a viable option right now.. People often forget that in Montreal we don't have the luxury of signing free agents whenever we want so the idea of having to get rid of Price and Weber is unfounded. Both guys contracts will not hinder Montreal from anything in the future.

    As for Petry, the word around town is that MTL will probably resign him. The last TDL was the best time to trade him and they didn't budge. Either way Habs aren't going to trade for a RHD whilst their current ones are playing great.

    As for center depth, Danault is a top line center, Suzuki hasn't solidfied center yet, KK neither and Poehling is still trying to figure it out. Johansen could play center and move to the RW if needed.
    Mar 25 at 7:29
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    Quoting: F50marco
    From an outside perspective that's what you'd think but ask any Habs fan and they'd tell you they are perfectly happy with Weber and Price for the time being and moving them for nothing in return is not a viable option right now.. People often forget that in Montreal we don't have the luxury of signing free agents whenever we want so the idea of having to get rid of Price and Weber is unfounded. Both guys contracts will not hinder Montreal from anything in the future.

    As for Petry, the word around town is that MTL will probably resign him. The last TDL was the best time to trade him and they didn't budge. Either way Habs aren't going to trade for a RHD whilst their current ones are playing great.

    As for center depth, Danault is a top line center, Suzuki hasn't solidfied center yet, KK neither and Poehling is still trying to figure it out. Johansen could play center and move to the RW if needed.


    TBH, If Habs fans are totally fine with spending 30% of their cap on a goalie and 2 dmen all signed until they're about 40, well that's fine with me lol.
    Mar 25 at 9:47
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    TBH, If Habs fans are totally fine with spending 30% of their cap on a goalie and 2 dmen all signed until they're about 40, well that's fine with me lol.


    As opposed to? Panarin, Hall and Pietrangelo?

    Even if the Habs created all this space by getting rid of all 3 players, who would they be spending this money on exactly? They're simply taking up space that would be occupied by anything anyway so there really isn't a problem.
    Mar 25 at 10:18
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    Quoting: F50marco
    As opposed to? Panarin, Hall and Pietrangelo?

    Even if the Habs created all this space by getting rid of all 3 players, who would they be spending this money on exactly? They're simply taking up space that would be occupied by anything anyway so there really isn't a problem.


    Is the question here what is the value of cap space if not to sign UFA's? I can't walk you through everything else you can do with the extra cap. But looking at how Carolina have transformed their roster over the last 3 years by utilizing their massive cap space and not really signing many UFA's at all should give you an idea.
     
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