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Created by: sabres262
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 25, 2020
Published: Mar. 25, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$4,500,000
4$4,000,000
2$2,500,000
2$1,000,000
6$7,000,000
3$3,000,000
3$2,000,000
4$4,600,000
4$3,600,000
4$4,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Skinner, Jeff
3$3,000,000
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. Tierney, Chris [RFA Rights]
OTT
  1. Skinner, Jeff
  2. Thompson, Tage [RFA Rights]
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (BUF)
  4. 2021 1st round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Sens CBO Skinner so he can resign in Buffalo
2.
BUF
  1. Murray, Matt [RFA Rights]
PIT
  1. Hutton, Carter ($1,300,000 retained)
  2. Samuelsson, Mattias
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (BUF)
3.
BUF
SJS
  1. Bryson, Jacob
  2. Mittelstadt, Casey [RFA Rights]
  3. Ristolainen, Rasmus
  4. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
4.
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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Logo of the BUF
2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$83,500,000$77,498,333$1,487,500$4,337,500$6,001,667
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Skinner, Jeff
$3,000,000$3,000,000
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the New York Rangers
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
$3,600,000$3,600,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Rangers
$4,350,000$4,350,000
LD/RD, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Rangers
$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$3,875,000$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
G
UFA - 4
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$2,850,000$2,850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3

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Mar. 25, 2020 at 2:40 p.m.
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The penguins would never agree to that.

They aren't going to trade a solid young goalie who they have control over for so little.
Especially with so little to go off of on Jarry.

They won't make a move till next year. It's to important for them as a team. They have cup hopes. Solid goalie play is important and Jarry has all of 33 games of solid play under his belt.
Mar. 25, 2020 at 2:45 p.m.
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I'm no Cap-ologist even though I play one on TV, but the J. Skinner "flip" from OTT to BUF may not be in-compliance is it?
Is there any historical evidence of teams doing the flip you show; if so, it'd be a good move for many teams...?
Mar. 25, 2020 at 2:52 p.m.
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This is just absolutely brutal.

For starters, there are not going to be buy outs.

Secondly, Jeff Skinner will not agree to such a garbage contract. Good God

Matt Murray is overrated and I dont want to pay goalies. How does Pilut get 6 million with like 40 career games?

No pick before the 4th round for the next 2 years? Jesus Christ

A guy who couldn't cut it in the AHL is our 2C? My God

The Rangers 8th defenseman is playing left wing? Oh dear

Trouba has a NTC and staged a 4 year cold war with Winnipeg to get moved to NY, he isn't going to leave after one year and the Rangers laugh for days at that offer
Mar. 25, 2020 at 3:19 p.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
I'm no Cap-ologist even though I play one on TV, but the J. Skinner "flip" from OTT to BUF may not be in-compliance is it?
Is there any historical evidence of teams doing the flip you show; if so, it'd be a good move for many teams...?


WSH traded Orpik to COL who bought him out and then he re-sign with Washington I think
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Mar. 25, 2020 at 3:23 p.m.
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WSH traded Orpik to COL who bought him out and then he re-sign with Washington I think


It wasn't a compliance buyout. Those moves were forbidden last time there were compliance buyouts
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Mar. 25, 2020 at 3:26 p.m.
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I doubt Eugene Melnyk would want to pay a player that doesn’t play for them $41.3 million.
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Mar. 25, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
This is just absolutely brutal.

For starters, there are not going to be buy outs.

Secondly, Jeff Skinner will not agree to such a garbage contract. Good God

Matt Murray is overrated and I dont want to pay goalies. How does Pilut get 6 million with like 40 career games?

No pick before the 4th round for the next 2 years? Jesus Christ

A guy who couldn't cut it in the AHL is our 2C? My God

The Rangers 8th defenseman is playing left wing? Oh dear

Trouba has a NTC and staged a 4 year cold war with Winnipeg to get moved to NY, he isn't going to leave after one year and the Rangers laugh for days at that offer


What do you mean, "you don't want to pay goalies"?
Mar. 25, 2020 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Krueger_Pharmaceuticals
It wasn't a compliance buyout. Those moves were forbidden last time there were compliance buyouts


I don't want to go down a rat-hole but if Skinner goes to OTT and is a compliance-buyout it's my understanding that OTT cannot sign him for 1-yr.

The CBA language below from CapF. is very vague to me and doesn't seem to inhibit such transactions as originally posted by "sabres262"

Compliance Buyout
During the buyout periods in 2013 and 2014, teams were permitted two compliance buyouts (also known as amnesty buyouts). The formula above is applied to determine the monetary amount paid to the player; however, they do not count against the cap.

Compliance buyouts were only permitted to be executed on a contract that was entered into on or before Sept. 15, 2012. They were also permitted to be performed on a 35-plus contract.

For one season following a compliance buyout, players were not permitted to rejoin the team which performed the buyout (this restriction does not exist for normal buyouts).


I assume the Sept 15, 2012 date above ^ ^ could be adjusted by NHL/NHLPA...?
Mar. 25, 2020 at 5:04 p.m.
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What do you mean, "you don't want to pay goalies"?


I think goaltending is fickle and inconsistent and the difference between a great goalie and a good goalie is about 10 goals a year (looking at save percentage). I would rather build a team and fill in a goalie, than pay big bucks for one
Mar. 25, 2020 at 6:05 p.m.
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I think goaltending is fickle and inconsistent and the difference between a great goalie and a good goalie is about 10 goals a year (looking at save percentage). I would rather build a team and fill in a goalie, than pay big bucks for one


Everything about this is correct. I award you 100 points.
Mar. 25, 2020 at 7:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
I doubt Eugene Melnyk would want to pay a player that doesn’t play for them $41.3 million.


This the part everyone seems to miss. It's cap free not cash free.

It would cost Ottawa 46.333 to buyout Skinner or 62 to keep him. They'd be better off keeping him. Skinner would never waive his NMC to Ottawa...
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Mar. 25, 2020 at 7:10 p.m.
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Dude... the Tierney trade??? 😳😳😳

Ottawa is cheap. Their owner won’t trade for someone to buy them out.

And Skinner isn’t signing anywhere close to 3mil per on a 3year deal if he becomes a UFA
If he did take a cheap deal, it would be for 1 year
He’s overpaid, but if u out him back with Eichel or get him a real center (like Cozens) then he’ll be just fine

If u really want Tierney... just trade Tage straight up for him
Maybe add a pick (definitely not a 1st, probably not even a 2nd)
He’s a 3C, so let’s not get crazy here

The rest is interesting...
But that Tierney trade is really, really bad
Mar. 25, 2020 at 11:47 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I think goaltending is fickle and inconsistent and the difference between a great goalie and a good goalie is about 10 goals a year (looking at save percentage). I would rather build a team and fill in a goalie, than pay big bucks for one


Yeah, the Sabres have been doing the fill in goalie thing for the past 10 years. Working really well for them. Keep doing things the same.

Playoff teams don’t have “fill in” goalies.
If Sabre management believes in your logic, Eichel will starting begging out real quick.

The NHL is turning into a 2 goalie system, not a couple fill ins.
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Mar. 26, 2020 at 7:59 a.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I think goaltending is fickle and inconsistent and the difference between a great goalie and a good goalie is about 10 goals a year (looking at save percentage). I would rather build a team and fill in a goalie, than pay big bucks for one


Also, 10 goals could be the difference in 10 losses. That’s playoff make or break.
Mar. 27, 2020 at 2:53 p.m.
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Dude... the Tierney trade??? 😳😳😳

Ottawa is cheap. Their owner won’t trade for someone to buy them out.

And Skinner isn’t signing anywhere close to 3mil per on a 3year deal if he becomes a UFA
If he did take a cheap deal, it would be for 1 year
He’s overpaid, but if u out him back with Eichel or get him a real center (like Cozens) then he’ll be just fine

If u really want Tierney... just trade Tage straight up for him
Maybe add a pick (definitely not a 1st, probably not even a 2nd)
He’s a 3C, so let’s not get crazy here

The rest is interesting...
But that Tierney trade is really, really bad


Tage Thompson, who is now 4 years past his draft year and has nothing to show for it is not getting a 40+ point center.
Mar. 27, 2020 at 2:55 p.m.
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Yeah, the Sabres have been doing the fill in goalie thing for the past 10 years. Working really well for them. Keep doing things the same.

Playoff teams don’t have “fill in” goalies.
If Sabre management believes in your logic, Eichel will starting begging out real quick.

The NHL is turning into a 2 goalie system, not a couple fill ins.


Goaltending has been like 1393rd on the list of things the sabres have done wrong.

Did I say goaltending wasn't important? No, I just said I wouldn't overpay for it in a league that has a hard salary cap.
Mar. 28, 2020 at 7:13 a.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Tage Thompson, who is now 4 years past his draft year and has nothing to show for it is not getting a 40+ point center.


Tierney is an average 3C
This trade idea is even worse than yours
Mar. 28, 2020 at 7:47 a.m.
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Tierney is an average 3C
This trade idea is even worse than yours


Tage Thompson is a 6RW
Mar. 28, 2020 at 7:51 a.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Tage Thompson is a 6RW



Ok, fine... Asplund or something other “B” prospect
Plus maybe a mid round pick like i said before

Certainly not Skinner, a 1st & a 2nd
That’s just crazy
Mar. 28, 2020 at 8:08 a.m.
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Ok, fine... Asplund or something other “B” prospect
Plus maybe a mid round pick like i said before

Certainly not Skinner, a 1st & a 2nd
That’s just crazy


If you scroll up you will find my thoughts on this disaster of a post.
Mar. 28, 2020 at 8:09 a.m.
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If you scroll up you will find my thoughts on this disaster of a post.



I suppose we are on the same page for once then!
Lol
 
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