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If the Cap is 80k Offer sheet

Created by: funnybrothers2
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 27, 2020
Published: Mar. 27, 2020
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NYI can't not match the offer sheet because they have a 9,87 millions cap space, but they have to sign Toews, Pulock, Barzal
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,200,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$5,500,000
2$2,000,000
2$925,000
7$9,500,000
2$2,500,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Barzal, Mathew$13,300,000
2021 1st round pick
2022 1st round pick
2023 1st round pick
2024 1st round pick
Trades
1.
2.
MTL
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
EDM
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
  2. Weal, Jordan
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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Logo of the CHI
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Logo of the WSH
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Logo of the ANA
Logo of the WPG
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the FLA
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the OTT
2021
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the VGK
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the MTL
2022
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$80,500,000$77,500,475$0$3,795,000$2,999,525
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
$9,500,000$9,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,800,000$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
$2,200,000$2,200,000
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,600,000$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000
C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$771,666$771,666 (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
RD
RFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
G
UFA - 2

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Mar. 27, 2020 at 10:47 a.m.
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If there’s a cbo tho they’ll use it on ladd
Mar. 27, 2020 at 10:51 a.m.
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Well if the cap is 80K then all teams are screwed
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Mar. 27, 2020 at 11:47 a.m.
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Columbus declines. We have no use for Drouin and don’t need any LHD... or a 5th string goalie... we’d rather just keep Murray and Korpisalo then add a wing who’d hate playing under torts.... and down grade massively at the other positions.
Mar. 27, 2020 at 11:48 a.m.
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I don't think that Barzal is the right target. He's a center, and in two-three years, we won't need him, since we will have Suzuki, Danault, Kotkaniemi, Poehling and Evans. 4 1st rounder is a lot for a guy who wil force us to move one of Danault or Suzuki. Plus, Lamoriello already said that he would fin a way to match any offer sheet on Barzal.
For me, if we do an offer sheet, I would target someone like Sergachev, which will be hard for the lightning to keep, since they have also to sign Cirelli, Shattenkirk, Zach Bogosian... with around 5-10 millions only available.
Detroit might alos be stuck behind their cap, so MAtha or Fabbri may be a great choice.
I like Kevin Labanc a lot in San Jose, and they will have to be crative to retain him.
Mar. 27, 2020 at 12:44 p.m.
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That is a terrible offersheet.
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Mar. 27, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.
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I don't think that Barzal is the right target. He's a center, and in two-three years, we won't need him, since we will have Suzuki, Danault, Kotkaniemi, Poehling and Evans. 4 1st rounder is a lot for a guy who wil force us to move one of Danault or Suzuki. Plus, Lamoriello already said that he would fin a way to match any offer sheet on Barzal.
For me, if we do an offer sheet, I would target someone like Sergachev, which will be hard for the lightning to keep, since they have also to sign Cirelli, Shattenkirk, Zach Bogosian... with around 5-10 millions only available.
Detroit might alos be stuck behind their cap, so MAtha or Fabbri may be a great choice.
I like Kevin Labanc a lot in San Jose, and they will have to be crative to retain him.


I want them to go after Sergachev, not sure how it would work. Due to taxes, MTL would be in tough to create a successful offersheet. For example, a $6.341M offersheet from MTL would only cost TB $4.68M when we factor in taxes. If I'm Sergachev's agent, I wouldn't be pushing my client to accept an offersheet from MTL.

While MTL may not be a realistic option to win an offersheet battle, other teams still are so this might make Sergachev available through a trade.

Tampa would want a lot no doubt, for me, Romanov, KK, Suzuki, Caufield and Primeau are not options. I would trade Mete, Poehling, + though
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Mar. 27, 2020 at 1:46 p.m.
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I want them to go after Sergachev, not sure how it would work. Due to taxes, MTL would be in tough to create a successful offersheet. For example, a $6.341M offersheet from MTL would only cost TB $4.68M when we factor in taxes. If I'm Sergachev's agent, I wouldn't be pushing my client to accept an offersheet from MTL.

While MTL may not be a realistic option to win an offersheet battle, other teams still are so this might make Sergachev available through a trade.

Tampa would want a lot no doubt, for me, Romanov, KK, Suzuki, Caufield and Primeau are not options. I would trade Mete, Poehling, + though


From what I know, every team has a cap in US dollars. So I don't think you have to consider the change rate.
Mar. 27, 2020 at 1:49 p.m.
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From what I know, every team has a cap in US dollars. So I don't think you have to consider the change rate.


Not the change rate, the taxes. Taxes in MTL is approx 52% vs 36% in Tampa. It is a significant difference.
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Mar. 27, 2020 at 2:06 p.m.
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Not the change rate, the taxes. Taxes in MTL is approx 52% vs 36% in Tampa. It is a significant difference.


But Aho did last year, so why wouldn't Sergachev do it?
Mar. 27, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.
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Not the change rate, the taxes. Taxes in MTL is approx 52% vs 36% in Tampa. It is a significant difference.

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Not the change rate, the taxes. Taxes in MTL is approx 52% vs 36% in Tampa. It is a significant difference.


That's a myth......the players pay the taxes according to the principal residence .... all the Montreal players have a secondary house in Montreal......so the taxes of Quebec have no incidence on the choice of their destination.
Mar. 27, 2020 at 3:54 p.m.
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But Aho did last year, so why wouldn't Sergachev do it?


Carolina is 42% so a little closer to Montreal. Aho signed because he wanted that contract and he knew Carolina could match if they wanted too. Not saying he wasn't prepared to play with MTL but he was handicapping Carolina cap wise with his deal.

I'm not saying Sergachev wouldn't, but there isn't much more incentive to sign in MTL at say $6.3M vs staying in tampa at $4.5M.
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Mar. 27, 2020 at 3:55 p.m.
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That's a myth......the players pay the taxes according to the principal residence .... all the Montreal players have a secondary house in Montreal......so the taxes of Quebec have no incidence on the choice of their destination.


Source?

This site calculates the difference in income taxes playing for different teams.

https://gavingroup.ca/nhl-tax-calculator/

If it is a myth tell me why teams like Dallas, Tampa, Nashville, Florida and Vegas are attracting big free agents? Specifically Radulov and Duchene both choosing the 36% tax rates over MTL's 52%. Or Stamkos vs. Toronto, point signing cheap compared to the other RFA's etc.

Better management? No, they have an advantage over the system.

Read this man...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CTF-HomeIceDisadvantage.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjV5v2KubvoAhVXbs0KHcA3DVMQFjAJegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0t5J8gGWxmV3bGxJ8-plqr

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CapFriendly literally has an income tax calculator... the site we are literrally discussing this on has a tool to show you what the tax difference is. For example Carey Price would have made another $2M this season if he was playing for Tampa Bay instead of Montreal.
Mar. 27, 2020 at 9:35 p.m.
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Mar. 31, 2020 at 1:41 p.m.
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Here is that last quote from that article:

"And for others, like Max Pacioretty in Vegas, it’s what makes a contract more cap-friendly since Montreal would have to pay him about $1.7 million more to have the same take-home pay."

The only example of residence being a factor within that article I seen was how some washington players reside in Virginia or Maryland, but that is not the same extreme as saying Sergachev can play for MTL and reside in Tampa Bay. Virginia and Maryland are just a couple hours from Washington DC.

If anything that article supports the fact that taxes are a factor when it comes to what a player takes home.
Mar. 31, 2020 at 2:14 p.m.
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Isles match
Mar. 31, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.
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As a Jackets fan I would accept. Fair trade
Mar. 31, 2020 at 3:45 p.m.
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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
Here is that last quote from that article:

"And for others, like Max Pacioretty in Vegas, it’s what makes a contract more cap-friendly since Montreal would have to pay him about $1.7 million more to have the same take-home pay."

The only example of residence being a factor within that article I seen was how some washington players reside in Virginia or Maryland, but that is not the same extreme as saying Sergachev can play for MTL and reside in Tampa Bay. Virginia and Maryland are just a couple hours from Washington DC.

If anything that article supports the fact that taxes are a factor when it comes to what a player takes home.


As I understand it, the players have to pay tax where they earn the money, which is why some American players (looking at you, Auston Matthews) have their deals structured with huge signing bonuses and small salaries. Matthews makes $700,000 (league minimum) during the season (and thus pays Toronto taxes on just $700K) but has a signing bonus of $15.2M that pays out during the summer... when he lives in AZ which, you guessed it, has no state income tax just like Florida and Texas.

But I'm pretty sure paying taxes where you earn the money gets complicated due to away games - some jurisdictions demand visiting sports players pay a city income tax for the number of days they're in town. It gets very complicated very quickly.
 
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