how on earth does Mikheyev get that much?

Lol that defense needs some work

Because across an 82 game season he'd be on pace for 48 points. That is called a bridge deal, similar to Danton Heinen, in place to give him less money than his pts/gp is worth due to minimal games played. LOL

Dermott will get more then that, will more than likely be around 2.5-2.75M

players with less than 40 NHL games dont get 2+ million dollar bridge deals. Heinen had over 150 games played and an actual 47 point (and 16 goal) season under his belt, not to mention another 34 11 goal season. Mikheyev has 23 points total. He isnt getting that much money. or close to it.

If he gets 3 years he will get a minimum of 2M. Heinen got 2.8 on a 2 year deal, Mikheyev will get 2.25 on 3 years because of the less games played. OR he will get 1-1.5 on a 1 year deal, but that has a good possibility of him getting paid in the Kapanen Johnsson range the years after.

I'd be shocked if the cap goes up at all, let alone 3.5 million.

You can save a bit (Overpay if you want) on Mikheyev but Dermott will need more and cap isn't going to be $85M

no, he wont get 2 million on any deal. he has too little a track record that was boosted by a huge PDO spike at the start of the season that is juicing the scoring numbers. He'll get a 1 or 2 year deal because that's what players like him usually get when their rookie season is an incomplete, and he'll make around 1 million or so on it because it's a healthy bump. the real number will be closer to 900k than 1.5

Because dubas is a pushover

no, he really isnt. He's just not a hard ass. Every single contract he has handed out except Marner has been market value at worst, but because there are no steals for the leafs people act like he gets taken to the cleaners every time. His contract history is "meh"

You do realize that before the suspension of the season, Mikheyev had 5 points in 5 games? So I wouldn't say all his points are from his "Spike at the start of the season". And that is true for players coming up as 22-23 year olds from the AHL but he played 4 seasons of pro hockey in the KHL, they got him to come over and if he signs for more than a year he will be getting at least 2M or he will go back. He will get Market value for a player of his caliber and Will get roughly 2M on a 2 year deal or 2.25-2.5M on a 3 year deal.

He has not gotten one team friendly contract thus far (Even for a fourth liner) and I really hope you are joking because half their overall salary cap is taken up by 4 players. Neither of which are their 2 most important players.

I didnt say all, i said most. and no, he will not get that much for less than 40 games. that would be unprecedented.

Only market value contract was tavares
Out of the big 4

Nylander, Johnsson, Kapanen, Spezza, Kerfoot and Muzzin are all on 'team friendly' deals. They arnt steals, but they are not even remote over payments. Tavares took less money from toronto than offered by other markets and Matthews contract is fine. Marner is the only over pay. And the funny thing about having 4 elite scoring players is that you do need to pay them like that, especially when they all come due at the same time. The only one of those Dubas had any control over was Tavares.
Next year Tampa has the same issue only 9.5 million of theirs is taken up by a goalie who isnt worth that. They are also paying 3 guys 5+ million to play in their bottom 6 most games. I'd rather over pay Marner by 2 million than over pay Palat, Killorn, Mcdonagh and Tyler Johnson by 1.5 million each, or Jamie Benn and Joe Pavelski by 3 million each, or Bobrovski, Matheson Yandle and Straleman by 3 million each.
at least the leafs players are earning their money most nights

Nope, Nylander was paid right in the middle of his com parables. Matthews literally has no comparable for how he scores goals (IE the best player at it at even strength in the entire NHL), and the only close comparable is McDavid who decided on his own to take a massive discount so he really isnt a comparable at all.

Muzzin is signed at 5.6 until he is 35. That is not team friendly, Johnsson and Kappenen have bridge deals that are market value I.E not cap friendly. Spezza is a team friendly contract, and Kerfoote is an over payed 3C, Toronto can not afford to pay their 3C more than 3M when their top two make a combined 22M. So the only 'Team friendly' Contract was Spezza.

Toronto screwed them selves with Kadri they had a great 2C (50-60pt excellent two way center) on an amazing contract that they completely got screwed up when signing Tavares. As nice of a player Tavares was to come along he completely screwed up their cap situation. That is why you rarely see big name free agents moving in the offseason cause it either screws up teams or teams that are competing cant afford it, and when a lot of money is given to FA's it tends to back fire, look at Pavelski, Backes, Lucic, Neal, ect. Instead of Matthews wanting 10M like Eichel, he immediately wanted more than Tavares. Then instead of Marner wanting 9M like Rantenen or even lower he jumped up cause everyone else was payed more. Without Tavares Toronto Essentially would have saved roughly 15M on the cap and would be able to bolster their defense and have a much more complete lineup. Instead now with each season they become more top heavy, they still have no defense and no plan going forward with how too deal with upcoming UFA's, they only thing they can do is pray the Cap Jumps up significantly, WHICH it will not do with the economy the way it is right now.

Either way back to the original topic of this conversation, Mikheyev the same as Zaitsev when he came over as a 24 year old will be getting a reasonable contract for 3 years similar but slightly less than Danton Heinen or he will take 1 year at roughly 1.5M to prove him self before another big jump. Otherwise he will go back to the KHL.

None of those contracts are market value unless you're comparing the bad contracts that are thrown around ruining cap for other teams. McDavid makes 12.5 and Edmonton is pushed against the cap ceiling unable to compete.

Same with SJS and LA with Karlson and Doughty. Did you notice that as soon as Kane and Toews both signed their Massive 10.5M extensions that Chicago started going out of their cap window?

Teams will have trouble competing with these massive contracts one, can be lived with but multiple is too rough. With the way the cap is now 10M is reasonable but when teams start pushing multiple players at 11M and 12M that's when the playoff picture becomes unattainable due to the inability to have role players on these teams.

Everybody makes the comparison to the percentage of Crosby and Malkins contracts to the cap back when they signed their deals to now with the new deals being signed. But the problem with that is that after signing those to contracts with the best 1-2 center punch in the league, a top 5 goalie and top end defenseman at the time they still went on a 7 year cup drought. Untill the cap went up and they were able to sign key role players like Nick Bonino Hornquist, ect. to replace the guys they couldn't afford after their first cup like Jordan Stall.

It's not that the contracts that are being signed are bad contracts, but its that teams with these massive are going to have to wait to compete on them until the cap goes up and they can get role players to be able to be fit in around them. It's one of the reasons Chicago was so good for so long, that they refused for a long time to give out big extensions, Keith and Seabrook used to be on great contracts. Toews and Kane waited for their massive contracts.

except none of this matters because you pay a player based on what they did before they signed the contract. Kane and Toews were high 60ish point players and signed before they broke out huge. Same with Kopitar and lots of the other top tier guys. Matthews had already scored 40 goals (and 2 seasons on pace for more) and marner was coming off a 97 point season. Toews and Kane didnt wait for their better contracts, they just exploded in a far more convenient time for the team.

Kane had 88 pts in regular season in 2010 and 28pts in 22 playoff games (Won the Cup), Toews was one of if not the best defensive forward had 68 pts and 29 pts in 22 playoff games followed that up by signing for 6.3M. This is the season they before they signed their contracts. What you just said is incorrect.

Even Doughty and Kopitar had 59pts and 77pts respectively before signing their second contracts of 7M and 6.8M respectively. Not as good as what Chicago did with Kane and Toews but still good contracts.

you're right, i calculated the year wrong on Kane's. but defensive play doesnt get you paid like points do, and assists dont get you paid like goals do. and neither of those guys had a season like Matthews or Marner under their belts.
Both players got 11% of the cap, which would give them a hair under 9 million if signed last summer, so a significantly better goal scoring record isnt worth a couple million more? and i mean we agree marner is over paid by about the same difference in cap percentage, so that's fine.
as far as Nylander goes, he's paid less by an appropriate amount (IE if he'd have signed for 8.76% of the cap in 2010 he'd be making about 5 million).

You are right about that, goals get more than assists, defensive play gets paid less, but you didn't mention Playoff scoring, and playoff wins, players always get paid more after winning the cup which is exactly what Chicago did that year. Unlike Matthews and Marner, Kane and Toews are always one of the best when it comes to playoff production which also should have them aid more. Matthews and Marner have been silent against the Bruins. Like it or not they are perfect comparables for Matthews and Marner but that couple of million you speak off comes out to be roughly 4.5M and that is the cap space Toronto could use to attain a top 4 defenseman to eat minutes and kill penalties, or a middle 6 forward that can kill penalties.

The point here is that sure these contracts can be given out, but similar to Crosby and Malkin they won't compete until the cap space is there to put key role players around them. So they can fully give out the contracts but expect another 5 years of losing before they can afford the pieces they need to compete in the playoffs. Not to mention they better hope they don't lose everything they've built in Reilly, Andersson and other players around them. Because right now they don't have the cap space for those expiring contracts.