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Created by: jassan28
Initial Creation Date: Mar 27, 2020
Published: Mar 27 at 8:31 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Miller, Colin
  3. Cozens, Dylan
  4. 2021 4th round pick (BUF)
  5. 2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Marner, Mitchell ($893,000 retained)
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
  3. Dermott, Travis
  4. Robertson, Nicholas
  5. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
  6. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
  • Cody Ceci: $750,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Mitchell Marner: $893,000 (8.2%)
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
BUF
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
BUF
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,958,533$0$850,000-$458,533
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 7
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
BUF
Cozens, Dylan
$925,000
C
RFA - 3
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Malgin, Denis
$750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Miller, Colin
$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Mar 27 at 8:34
#1
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Matthews would still be 1c
Mar 27 at 8:36
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Wqrrior
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Quoting: Jack_
Matthews would still be 1c


am i the only one who thinks Eichel > Matthews?

Yeah Matthews scores more... but when you consider the parings he has had vs. what Eichel has had... It's close but for what Eichel has around him I always give him the edge.
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Mar 27 at 8:37
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Quoting: Wqrrior
am i the only one who thinks Eichel > Matthews?

Yeah Matthews scores more... but when you consider the parings he has had vs. what Eichel has had... It's close but for what Eichel has around him I always give him the edge.


Matthews is a much better scorer and sniper. and has a ridiculous shot. And he is much better with his steals
But that's it Eichel is better in every other category
Mar 27 at 8:44
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Quoting: Leafsfan34
Matthews is a much better scorer and sniper. and has a ridiculous shot. And he is much better with his steals
But that's it Eichel is better in every other category


nah, Matthews is better defensively and Eichel's assist totals are ballooned by 2nd assists. Dont get me wrong, Eichel is fantastic, but he's not better than Matthews in any significant way, and is worse than him in most. Matthews is just stupid stupid good
Mar 27 at 8:46
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
nah, Matthews is better defensively and Eichel's assist totals are ballooned by 2nd assists. Dont get me wrong, Eichel is fantastic, but he's not better than Matthews in any significant way, and is worse than him in most. Matthews is just stupid stupid good


I think Eichel is a better well rounded player. Matthews is slow and Eichel is fast and I think is better in most ways. But Matthews isn't far behind
Mar 27 at 8:47
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Quoting: Wqrrior
am i the only one who thinks Eichel > Matthews?

Yeah Matthews scores more... but when you consider the parings he has had vs. what Eichel has had... It's close but for what Eichel has around him I always give him the edge.


He played with skinner and reinhart all last year. And mostly olofsson and reinhart this year. Those are much better linemates then matthews has ever had with the exception of marner and even then marner wasnt great this year. Matthews is also the better offensive player, besides just his goalscoring his ability to create high danger chances for himself and is linemates made him a top 5 offensive player by most models
Mar 27 at 8:48
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Quoting: Leafsfan34
I think Eichel is a better well rounded player. Matthews is slow and Eichel is fast and I think is better in most ways. But Matthews isn't far behind


but that's just it, he isnt. Matthews has a higher 1st assist rate, is better in his own end and is the better goal scorer. Sure Eichel is a faster player, but Matthews is by no means slow. Matthews is more well rounded by far.
Mar 27 at 8:49
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Quoting: Wqrrior
am i the only one who thinks Eichel > Matthews?

Yeah Matthews scores more... but when you consider the parings he has had vs. what Eichel has had... It's close but for what Eichel has around him I always give him the edge.


This could get fun
Mar 27 at 8:56
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Quoting: Wqrrior
am i the only one who thinks Eichel > Matthews?

Yeah Matthews scores more... but when you consider the parings he has had vs. what Eichel has had... It's close but for what Eichel has around him I always give him the edge.


Quoting: Leafsfan34
Matthews is a much better scorer and sniper. and has a ridiculous shot. And he is much better with his steals
But that's it Eichel is better in every other category


Quoting: JaredOfLondon
nah, Matthews is better defensively and Eichel's assist totals are ballooned by 2nd assists. Dont get me wrong, Eichel is fantastic, but he's not better than Matthews in any significant way, and is worse than him in most. Matthews is just stupid stupid good


Matthews is probably slightly better cuz of his goal scoring ability, but to me they are pretty lucky equal. However, neither centers are as good as prime Evgeni Malkin.
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Mar 27 at 9:01
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Matthews is probably slightly better cuz of his goal scoring ability, but to me they are pretty lucky equal. However, neither centers are as good as prime Evgeni Malkin.


like, how many times do i have to say it? Matthews is better at everything except secondary assists and penalty differential. They arnt close as makes no difference equal.
Mar 27 at 9:38
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Quoting: Jack_
He played with skinner and reinhart all last year. And mostly olofsson and reinhart this year. Those are much better linemates then matthews has ever had with the exception of marner and even then marner wasnt great this year. Matthews is also the better offensive player, besides just his goalscoring his ability to create high danger chances for himself and is linemates made him a top 5 offensive player by most models


Marner wasn't great this year, wow, troll statement of the year, about half of Matthews goals scored this year was off sweet feeds from Marner's stick, just like half of J.T.'s 47 goals the previous season were set up by Marner's magic. Without Marner, neither J.T. or Matthews can flirt with being a 50 goal scorer.
Mar 27 at 10:21
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Quoting: Wqrrior
am i the only one who thinks Eichel > Matthews?

Yeah Matthews scores more... but when you consider the parings he has had vs. what Eichel has had... It's close but for what Eichel has around him I always give him the edge.


Both are fantastic young players but if you gave me the choice between the two I'm taking Eichel every time.
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Mar 27 at 10:47
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Wqrrior
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Quoting: TanSor
Both are fantastic young players but if you gave me the choice between the two I'm taking Eichel every time.


He fits the Wild better than Matthews. It's close enough that it is a team-fit debate.
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Mar 27 at 10:55
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Quoting: Wqrrior
He fits the Wild better than Matthews. It's close enough that it is a team-fit debate.


Agree 100%. But I prefer Eichel's game to Matthews. I think Eichel can produce more with less, but Matthews has proven he can score 50 goals with an elite playmaker.
Mar 27 at 10:59
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Wqrrior
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Quoting: TanSor
Agree 100%. But I prefer Eichel's game to Matthews. I think Eichel can produce more with less, but Matthews has proven he can score 50 goals with an elite playmaker.


Yeah. I think more that Eichel has helped grow Reinhart, Olofsson and boosted Skinner more than Matthews has boosted his teammates. It's more a neutral ground of helping each other in TOR with multiple elite talents, vs general top 6 forwards thriving among elite talent in BUF.
Mar 27 at 11:32
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Just a flat out pathetic trade offer.

And eichel is better than matthews
Mar 28 at 12:35
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Quoting: TanSor
Both are fantastic young players but if you gave me the choice between the two I'm taking Eichel every time.


As a sabres fan, the two are pretty close. Matthews offense is awfully impressive. I thought eichel took big steps this year to be a more complete player, maybe because krueger is a defensive coach, maybe it was just the natural development. The sabres dont have anything near the leafs offense, eichel far too frequently has to carry the puck up ice by himself, gain the line, and then make a play. Or it doesnt happen at all. Which you see when you look at the percentage of goals eichel is involved in compared to the team as a whole. Matthews, eichel, and barkov are in that elite category, right behind mcdavid and mackinnon. Im still not sure where draisaitl fits.
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Mar 28 at 7:41
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It' pretty close value in the trade. But the Leafs aren't better with Eichel/Miller for Marner, Kapanen and Dermot. Cozens for Robertson and 1st....that could be close too.
Mar 28 at 8:53
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Quoting: TanSor
Both are fantastic young players but if you gave me the choice between the two I'm taking Eichel every time.


I'd gladly take either of them...

Quoting: Wqrrior
He fits the Wild better than Matthews. It's close enough that it is a team-fit debate.


You'd make the team/line work for either of Matthews/Eichel. They have enough wings that can play more than the grind cycle game that they've used this year. They just don't have the centers for it.
 
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