we are not doing what columbus did going all in for 1 year. Toronto just needs to get better defensively and once they pass round 1 they can go far into the playoffs

This is on a much bigger scale than what Columbus did and our window would be 2 years.

I would say you guys would have a very very very good chance of winning the cup with this team.

If leafs felt desperate they would do it. But its to risky

I would think they need a tad more forward depth. Just my opinion.

Columbus easily declines that. Jones is much better then anything you’re trading them. Quality vs quantity. Columbus needs Jones more then anything you’re willing to trade them. You also have to be joking if you think Columbus is going to retain half of both of their contracts for that package.

They would be rebuilding if they made this trade. They wouldn't need the cap space. Sandin is a future top 3D. Liljegren is a future 4D. Robertson will play in the top 6. Plus you guys get a 1st for 2 years of Jones and then you guys can resign Jones when he becomes a UFA. I'd take that kind of package for Marner or Reilly.

I dont think the trade is that bad and as most people know I am a huge Jones fan. The only problem is a legit number 1 D is super hard to get in the NHL, Like my Oilers dont have 1. I think its the hardest to fill and there is nothing coming back that has that trajectory. Jones is top 5 in the league IMO, can play in all situations and can munch minutes. Not sure if Jackets are ready for another rebuild again though.

No you wouldn’t.... Sandin is a top 4 defenseman. Liljegren is top 4. Jones is a number 1.... you don’t trade players like that. Jones is more like Matthews important to Columbus and you’d be lying if you’d take that trade if your Toronto.

2 top 4 d prospects, a top 6 wing prospect, a fill in lower lever player and a 1st 2 years from now for Matthews and Kerfoot.... that’s what this trade is like for Columbus. Trading their very best player.... that doesn’t happen very often and it’s almost never for futures...

Sorry but Jones is 100% untouchable. It’s like asking for Matthews or Pietranglo or Kane... the best player and face of the franchise... You don’t trade that player.

I can 100% agree with that. That’s what I was getting at in my last reply.

I don't get why CBJ would do a trade like this. In level they're equal to Toronto. Actually in the standings they have the same amount of points and games...doesn't get much more even than that.

There's nice value going CBJ's way, I admit...but that team isn't going for a rebuild. They're doing pretty well.

Not you realize it yet but Robertson reminds me of the Rocket in terms of his goal scoring abilities and not a chance the Leafs would trade him and the Sandman.

They are not going to win the cup with their existing team, neither are my Oilers and neither are the leafs.

Let's just say that they're going to be closer to the cup with Jones than without him.

Last year showed that nothing's impossible when it comes to the great game of hockey. The team from last position in the whole league at January 3rd won the cup...

That's exactly what I'm getting at. These teams are all 1st round playoff/just miss the playoff teams. I think they should push for a cup or rebuild. There's no point of making the playoffs just to lose in the 1st round.

If the Blue Jackets offered me Texier, Bemstrom and two top 4 defence prospects (one with top pairing potential), I would trade Reilly.

It's essentially 4 1sts for 2 years of Jones. Plus Jones is less likely to resign than Reilly is.

Sorry but IMO Jones is better than Rielly and also Savard is included in the trade which I dod not make, this is someone elses post and I do think it is very interesting.

They are playoff hockey built. (The Blues) Big teams have won the last 3 years I think.

Reilly and Jones aren’t even... Jones is so much better. Jones is on the level of Matthews in terms of value to the team. And there’s 0 chance you trade Matthews And Kerfoot for Jenner(Holl), Peeke(Robertson), Texier(Sandin) Bremstrom(Liljegren) and a 2021 1st....

Jones is the best player in Columbus and is equal to a player like Matthews in terms of what they mean to the team. Rielly is closer to PLD in terms of value to the team.... best player on the off position. Jones is the best player by far in Columbus, and they wouldn’t consider moving him unless we also trade Werenski, PLD, Savard, Murray, and trading everyone who has value... other wise not happening.

A 20 man roster with no cap space....doesn't make a team better.
What is this fascination with RHD....Collectively those new additions in their long NHL careers have won a total of three playoff rounds. You really think those three guys would make that much of a difference?

Rielly is worth WAY more than PLD. He is as good as Jones. I wouldn't trade Rielly for Jones 1 for 1.

His point totals are higher than Luc-Dubois' ever were and Jones too. He was playing injured all season and was still a good no. 1 D.

what if a trade involving Marner for Jones were to be worked out...have not thought about specifics but I know there was a rumor that the Jackets were thinking of making Marner an offer when he was an RFA..

@Ajp_18 wants Matthews as the return, which isn't happening. Matthews has way more trade value and I don't think he'd be willing to give PLD and a couple 1sts to make up the difference in value.

You aren’t getting what I’m saying.... it’s not value to everyone... it’s the players value to his own team... Jones to Columbus is as valuable as Matthews it to Toronto. Face of the franchise and best player on the team.

I’m not saying that Jones=Matthews to everyone on the open market because that’s 100% not true. Matthews is so much more valuable. I’m say that to their respective teams Jones and Matthews have the same value. The best player and face of the franchise.

Teams hardly trade their best player and face of the franchise. I don’t get why you don’t understand that.

I get the importance of each player.....I was just offering up the Marner possibility based on Jackets previous interest.....I really dont think either team would make that trade for Jones wether it's Mathews or Marner