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Overpaying short term for quality long term

Created by: Billy739
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 3, 2020
Published: Apr. 3, 2020
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OS on Lemieux matches what MTL offered a more productive Gallagher at his age.
That said i think factoring in inflation it makes sense for Lemieux

Lemieux comes to MTL to bond and Grow beside Poehling
I think they'll become our regular 3rd line unit ,PP2 and PK2 unit getting 15-17 minutes a night.
This is until Caufield joins them in 1-2 years and then they skys the limit as RP and BL will create tons of space for CC
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3$925,000
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5$3,950,000
6$3,750,000
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2$3,950,000
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  2. Timmins, Conor
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Timmons is great and likely a top 4 future lock.
His issue is never in his professional career has he ever finished a full season. He's always injured but luckily its not a constant knee injury like with Galchenyuk . Timmons style of play needs work because its boarderline kamikazi as he's like a dog chasing a stick into traffic .. he just wants the puck and will pay the price to get it.

Before anyone assume's i take any of that as a downfall , its not.
i'm just saying the kid needs to stop being rushed and slowed down so he can learn to anticipate the game rather then playing chase all game long. He's not as polished as Makar who has a vision you only see a couple time a decade on a Defensman"

This is why Graves for Mete comes into play.
Domi is clearly better today with MTL's hope being Timmons long term makes us the winner. The issue becomes he's more injury prone then Markov . A deal 1 for 1 wouldnt be fair to MTL so why not move out Graves for Mete giving the insurance the deal needs.

From MTL's POV even if Timmons spends 3 of the next 5 years on IR most of the time we still got Graves who's a solid anchor like his dad .


COL walks away with a 70 point Center on a garbage team like MTL with no direction giving them good odds at Domi succeeding there as an upgrade in the Middle 6 to help Kadri.
(The give up Timmons who they need but could live with out for a Domi and Graves who is ahead of projections surprising many this year with his play so this doesnt effect COL playoff core )
COL
  1. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
  2. Mete, Victor [RFA Rights]
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Domi's first year as Center 41% FO win rate and 49% second year. 116 points in 151 games in his fist time since timbits hockey playing Center . He's consistently growing and showing real promise as a 2nd line Center.(his biggest issue is beating the shit out of Ekblad minutes after he had cause,its few and far between but his temper is costly although his production makes up for it.)

Mete's a speedy LD who carry's the bulk of MTL's pucks into the OZ as thats his main use. he's got speed and can move the puck.(good 3rd pair/PP2 and PK1 unit )
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23$81,500,000$76,628,809$0$3,775,000$4,871,191
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Apr. 3, 2020 at 2:49 p.m.
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Giving up a 1st and a 3rd for Brendan Lemiuex is a terrible idea
Apr. 3, 2020 at 3:00 p.m.
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What is that offer sheet? Lemieux is a 4th liner!
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Apr. 3, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.
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Adam graves and Ryan graves are not related. And while we are at it, Connor TImmins is not related to Trevor Timmins either
common misconception on this site
Apr. 3, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Torontoleafs15
What is that offer sheet? Lemieux is a 4th liner!


I'm getting Tanev flashbacks from this.

Except, even Tanev is better. Despite him being a consistent player, most PIT fans agree is his still not worth his contract / won't be long term. Paying bottom six players this much is not a good idea.

The COL trade is close, though I would say MTL is not overpaying, like the title says.
Apr. 3, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.
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I'm getting Tanev flashbacks from this.

Except, even Tanev is better. Despite him being a consistent player, most PIT fans agree is his still not worth his contract / won't be long term. Paying bottom six players this much is not a good idea.

The COL trade is close, though I would say MTL is not overpaying, like the title says.


its a interesting trade, value is there but personally I dont see the Mete fit. Hes just a less version of Girard ad Avs already have too many LHS Dman even when they do the graves swap. Timmins is important to their right side depth.
Apr. 3, 2020 at 3:16 p.m.
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its a interesting trade, value is there but personally I dont see the Mete fit. Hes just a less version of Girard ad Avs already have too many LHS Dman even when they do the graves swap. Timmins is important to their right side depth.


Remove Mete and Graves. Obviously depth is nice, but if that's the cost to fill the final need on forward I would say it is worth it.

A 1 for 1 of Timmins for Domi's rights.
Apr. 3, 2020 at 3:23 p.m.
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Remove Mete and Graves. Obviously depth is nice, but if that's the cost to fill the final need on forward I would say it is worth it.

A 1 for 1 of Timmins for Domi's rights.


I would rather them build the trade the other way, Graves and Domi. The org is super high on Timmins. They really have a legit shot of having their Top 4 a couple seasons of now being

Byram Makar
Girard Timmins

that would have them set up for a decade
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Apr. 3, 2020 at 3:37 p.m.
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I would rather them build the trade the other way, Graves and Domi. The org is super high on Timmins. They really have a legit shot of having their Top 4 a couple seasons of now being

Byram Makar
Girard Timmins

that would have them set up for a decade


I don't think Graves alone holds enough value for Domi, a B/B+ prospect would need to be included. But there's some sense there.
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Apr. 3, 2020 at 3:49 p.m.
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I don't think Graves alone holds enough value for Domi, a B/B+ prospect would need to be included. But there's some sense there.

Avs need to add
Apr. 3, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.
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I don't think Graves alone holds enough value for Domi, a B/B+ prospect would need to be included. But there's some sense there.


yeah cant do it 1 for 1, not what I was implying, just they sort of found free money with Graves getting him in an AHL swap. They can max out his value bc they really cant afford to keep him anyways.
Apr. 3, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.
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The Avs aren’t trading Graves AND Timmins much less in the same deal.
Apr. 3, 2020 at 8:37 p.m.
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I'm gonna speak real slow as i guess its a hard concept to comprehend .


2 concussions to 2/3 rookies this year of which both were the bigger guys injured of the 3.
KK had to fight for Poehling FFS

Lemieux is built to drive the net , piss off the goalie and fight
He's the perfect 3rd man for Poehling-Caufield who have Established Chemistry (last time they played together both hit Career highs and CC tied OVI's record from 2003 i believe it was at IIHF Tourny)

Poehling has the skill to be the playmaker for Caufield who's 5'7
Caufield and Poehling for that matter needs a cheap shot artist willing to be the rodeo clown.

Finding a guy like Lemieux capable of being the NHL's version of an Offensive Tackle who protects the QB
Figured i'd try speaking in terms Americans better understand as i refused to believe a Canadian doesnt see value in player who's just like his Dad. (whatever his team needs whether its production or blood)
Apr. 3, 2020 at 8:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Xqb15
The Avs aren’t trading Graves AND Timmins much less in the same deal.


if it got them a Center and a LD they could use today for a 1st year prospect and a top RD Junior Prospect
Well they'd be bad business men


This isnt Makar , and although Timmons is good
he's not pass on a 24 year old 70 point top 6 Center
you'd be a bad GM if you did

its not like trading for Drouin where he still hadnt figured his **** out and was struggling but still got a D better then both in this Deal.
This is a real forward who's thriving and if not for Suzuki's amazing play especially at Center to be the best Rookie since Gallagher we've produced
Then there is no way we move Domi out

Issue is that its become Domi or Danault
Danault long term fits our needs better as we can leave him where he's at until Suzuki or KK is ready
After that he's the ideal 3rd line shutdown Center while playing PP2 and PK1 averaging 17-19 minutes a night still in our system (1st and 3rd is a difference of 2 shifts on average)

Its like people wipe their asses with established NHL players and give no craps about how much all Centers in the past 5 years have gotten .
Even that POS Hanzal coming off injury got a kings ransom . Heck Plekanec's got us a 2nd and 2 prospects in his worst season since he was a rookie

D are great when established but its very rare a team trades them for a kings ransom
Look at what was traded for Sergachev and D'angelo for example
Apr. 3, 2020 at 10:23 p.m.
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if it got them a Center and a LD they could use today for a 1st year prospect and a top RD Junior Prospect
Well they'd be bad business men


This isnt Makar , and although Timmons is good
he's not pass on a 24 year old 70 point top 6 Center
you'd be a bad GM if you did

its not like trading for Drouin where he still hadnt figured his **** out and was struggling but still got a D better then both in this Deal.
This is a real forward who's thriving and if not for Suzuki's amazing play especially at Center to be the best Rookie since Gallagher we've produced
Then there is no way we move Domi out

Issue is that its become Domi or Danault
Danault long term fits our needs better as we can leave him where he's at until Suzuki or KK is ready
After that he's the ideal 3rd line shutdown Center while playing PP2 and PK1 averaging 17-19 minutes a night still in our system (1st and 3rd is a difference of 2 shifts on average)

Its like people wipe their asses with established NHL players and give no craps about how much all Centers in the past 5 years have gotten .
Even that POS Hanzal coming off injury got a kings ransom . Heck Plekanec's got us a 2nd and 2 prospects in his worst season since he was a rookie

D are great when established but its very rare a team trades them for a kings ransom
Look at what was traded for Sergachev and D'angelo for example


Domi, imo isn’t a top 6 C but a top 6 winger, and he definitely isn’t a top 6 C on an Avs team, and as far as being a 70 pt player let’s not let an outlier season be how he is defined as he has only cracked 50 pts one other time though he was probably going to this year but on the Avs he isn’t playing 2C over Kadri he is playing wing.

I think Domi would be a good fit on the Avs, my contention is the trade and giving up 2 defenseman one that already is not only playing in the top 4 but is Makar’s partner the other who the organization obviously values deeply and has had success playing with Makar albeit at the WJC. As for Mete they don’t need a small d-man that won’t play on the PP because they already have Makar and Girard AND Byram and would be relegated to a defensively heavy role that I don’t know would be a strength or a good fit.

If the trade were modified taking one of them out and adding a different piece for just Domi I think that would work.
 
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