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RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya	2	$2,250,000
Gauthier, Frédérik	1	$700,000
Dermott, Travis	3	$2,200,000

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$80,980,950	$0	$0	$519,050

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Bjorkstrand, Oliver $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667$821,667 LW, RW RFA - 4	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
		Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 2
Mikheyev, Ilya $2,250,000$2,250,000 LW, RW UFA - 2		Engvall, Pierre $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Sörensen, Marcus $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Jenner, Boone $3,750,000$3,750,000 C, LW UFA - 2
	Nash, Riley $2,750,000$2,750,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Jones, Seth $5,400,000$5,400,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis $2,200,000$2,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 2

Apr. 5, 2020 at 9:31 p.m.

#1

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Might be a bit much from the leafs side but you got the right idea

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Apr. 5, 2020 at 9:44 p.m.

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This trade isn’t happening. Toronto isn’t trading Marner and Columbus isn’t trading Jones.

Also Columbus is sending an elite player, top 6 wing, middle 6 center and 4th line center for an elite player, middle 6 center, top 4 d prospect and an AHL player. Bracco would be the 5th RW in Columbus behind Marner, Atkinson, Anderson and Bremstrom.

Can we please stop with the Marner for Jones trade neither team wants to make that trade.

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Apr. 5, 2020 at 10:07 p.m.

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Quoting: Ajp_18

This trade isn’t happening. Toronto isn’t trading Marner and Columbus isn’t trading Jones.

Also Columbus is sending an elite player, top 6 wing, middle 6 center and 4th line center for an elite player, middle 6 center, top 4 d prospect and an AHL player. Bracco would be the 5th RW in Columbus behind Marner, Atkinson, Anderson and Bremstrom.

Can we please stop with the Marner for Jones trade neither team wants to make that trade.

There is no point reasoning with leaf fans on this. Ughhhhh

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Apr. 5, 2020 at 10:59 p.m.

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Leafs would not ever trade Marner for all 4 of the players you listed as he is a Leafs franchise player.

Apr. 5, 2020 at 11:09 p.m.

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We won't give you our 2020 2nd for Johnsson. I think Sorensen and a 2021 3rd is a fair deal for him, but we would probably give you Sorensen and Colorado's 2020 2nd too.

Apr. 5, 2020 at 11:16 p.m.

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Who is saying no? I could be totally out to lunch, but think this trade holds merit for both sides.

I sure like to see the other 29 teams and their offer for Jones. Seems like only the Leafs have to traded 90 point player for two years of Jones. Think Jones is really going that much difference to the Leaf to the expense of trading Marner ?

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Apr. 6, 2020 at 10:45 a.m.

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Quoting: TML_Tika

Leafs would not ever trade Marner for all 4 of the players you listed as he is a Leafs franchise player.

How many franchise players does one team need? Nylander has shown he can be a first line player, and you already have $22M attached to Tavares, and Matthews. Why not trade Marner, free up some future cap space and get the exact type player in Jones (elite top pair RHD) and Bjorkstrand (top 6 winger) the team needs in return?

Apr. 6, 2020 at 10:59 a.m.

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Quoting: palhal

Who is saying no? I could be totally out to lunch, but think this trade holds merit for both sides.

I sure like to see the other 29 teams and their offer for Jones. Seems like only the Leafs have to traded 90 point player for two years of Jones. Think Jones is really going that much difference to the Leaf to the expense of trading Marner ?

I think Jones is a perfect piece for Toronto's blue line. In my opinion the Leafs don't need Marner, he's a great player but he does have an expensive contract and is not the ultimate play-driver in the Leafs forward group. If the Leafs want to become a contender they need to improve their D-core and I believe adding a stud like Seth Jones dramatically changes their team outlook. They'll still be able to produce offense and score goals but this just brings them to another level considering their difficulties with defending.

Apr. 6, 2020 at 1:00 p.m.

#9

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Quoting: ek_65

I think Jones is a perfect piece for Toronto's blue line. In my opinion the Leafs don't need Marner, he's a great player but he does have an expensive contract and is not the ultimate play-driver in the Leafs forward group. If the Leafs want to become a contender they need to improve their D-core and I believe adding a stud like Seth Jones dramatically changes their team outlook. They'll still be able to produce offense and score goals but this just brings them to another level considering their difficulties with defending.

How can you say that Marner is not a play driver in the Leafs forward group?

Apr. 6, 2020 at 2:07 p.m.

#10

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Quoting: TML_Tika

How can you say that Marner is not a play driver in the Leafs forward group?

He is not the *ultimate* play driver. Yes he can drive plays, but if Marner isn't there, the Leafs forward group will still be successful with Matthews, Tavares and Nylander, etc.

Apr. 6, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.

#11

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Quoting: ek_65

He is not the *ultimate* play driver. Yes he can drive plays, but if Marner isn't there, the Leafs forward group will still be successful with Matthews, Tavares and Nylander, etc.

So let me understand your logic. Both Tavares and Matthews both have career years in successive seasons when Marner is on their line, but Marner is not a play driver in your opinion. Makes no sense to me but maybe @MitchMarnerElite would have a view on this issue as he follows Marner very closely.

Apr. 6, 2020 at 2:46 p.m.

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Quoting: TML_Tika

So let me understand your logic. Both Tavares and Matthews both have career years in successive seasons when Marner is on their line, but Marner opinion is not a play driver in your opinion. Makes no sense to me but maybe @MitchMarnerElite would have a more an opinion as he follows Marner very closely.

Marner is a decent play driver, but he’s not the best in that category. Being a good play driver means to be able to generate possession and shots in the offensive zone by sustaining the puck in the offensive zone. Individually, that’s not one of Marner’s strengths as most times he generates scoring off the zone entry. He generates less quantity but more quality.

Apr. 6, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.

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Quoting: ek_65

I think Jones is a perfect piece for Toronto's blue line. In my opinion the Leafs don't need Marner, he's a great player but he does have an expensive contract and is not the ultimate play-driver in the Leafs forward group. If the Leafs want to become a contender they need to improve their D-core and I believe adding a stud like Seth Jones dramatically changes their team outlook. They'll still be able to produce offense and score goals but this just brings them to another level considering their difficulties with defending.

I know ever wails on the Leafs Dmen. When/if the NHL restarts, the Leaf worse Dman on the current team Tyson Barrie , won't be on it. Neither will. 4.5m Ceci. Hopefully three starters Reilly, Muzzin and Dermot won't be on LTIR as they did this season. So the Leafs do have NHL Dmen and some cap flexibility
No one ever criticizes the Sharks and their 26.5mm tied in three aging Dmen...Karlsson, Burns and Vlasic...and that team had a worse GAA than the Leafs. But somehow so many folks think the Leaf need a RHD at any cost
I just don't think Jones and his two years is a good trade value for five years of Marner. If anything I would rather sign a competent to good UFA Dman and then trade a player(s) for assets to be cap compliant.
For example rather sign Pietrangelo at 9.5 X 7 and trade Marner for three firsts or two excellent prospects than go the one career playoff round win Jones for two years. (if the Leafs think this mystical RHD the answer)

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Apr. 6, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

I know ever wails on the Leafs Dmen. When/if the NHL restarts, the Leaf worse Dman on the current team Tyson Barrie , won't be on it. Neither will. 4.5m Ceci. Hopefully three starters Reilly, Muzzin and Dermot won't be on LTIR as they did this season. So the Leafs do have NHL Dmen and some cap flexibility
No one ever criticizes the Sharks and their 26.5mm tied in three aging Dmen...Karlsson, Burns and Vlasic...and that team had a worse GAA than the Leafs. But somehow so many folks think the Leaf need a RHD at any cost
I just don't think Jones and his two years is a good trade value for five years of Marner. If anything I would rather sign a competent to good UFA Dman and then trade a player(s) for assets to be cap compliant.
For example rather sign Pietrangelo at 9.5 X 7 and trade Marner for three firsts or two excellent prospects than go the one career playoff round win Jones for two years. (if the Leafs think this mystical RHD the answer)

To my mind both Dermott and Sandin have the upside to both be top pairing defenceman in the NHL and when you already have Rielly and Muzzen who are top pairing defenseman and Holl who is breaking through to become a quality defenseman you can argue that the Leafs have 5 quality defenseman already on the roster which stack up or better than most other teams in the NHL.

They also have some quality defenseman prospects in Liljegren and Duszak coming and maybe only need to sign one UFA defenseman this year to buy some more time for defensive prospects to develope.

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Apr. 7, 2020 at 7:04 a.m.

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Quoting: TML_Tika

To my mind both Dermott and Sandin have the upside to both be top pairing defenceman in the NHL and when you already have Rielly and Muzzen who are top pairing defenseman and Holl who is breaking through to become a quality defenseman you can argue that the Leafs have 5 quality defenseman already on the roster which stack up or better than most other teams in the NHL.

They also have some quality defenseman prospects in Liljegren and Duszak coming and maybe only need to sign one UFA defenseman this year to buy some more time for defensive prospects to develope.

Hello TML Tika. See you are relatively new to CF, and as tell me profile...I'm an old fart. Welcome to the gang the CF.
Here's my take on "top pairing". To me it's pretty well nonsense to have these numerical listing of Dman pairings. Don't know how Reilly can be considered a "top pairing" or "premium" Dman, when under Babcock and Keefe, they refuse to let the defensive deficient Reilly play the PK. So while Reilly might play the most minutes of any Leaf Dman, it' mostly due to "easy" though effective minute on the PK. Cody Ceci got a lot of hate on this site....but IMO it was Tyson Barrie who was Leafs worse Dman this season. Sure Barrie got points on the PP, but he didn't play the PK and even strength numbers were poor.
Regardless, if the worse Dmen a team has plays 14 minutes a game, they better be NHL competent as for sure they are going to seeing PK minutes as well as playing against top lines especially on the road.
Also all this site, there is an obsession with the Leafs and the Leafs only and the need for RHD. Doesn't matter the quality of player, seemingly the Leaf need any RHD and these RHD have to obtained at premium trade price to the Leafs.
You're right the Leafs seem to have enough quality NHL Dmen. Reilly, Muzzin, Dermot, Sandin, and Holl. That's five. Liljjegren and Marincin makes seven. Surely the Leaf can trade some cap in order find another competent Dman or two for the next season.

Apr. 7, 2020 at 1:43 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

Hello TML Tika. See you are relatively new to CF, and as tell me profile...I'm an old fart. Welcome to the gang the CF.
Here's my take on "top pairing". To me it's pretty well nonsense to have these numerical listing of Dman pairings. Don't know how Reilly can be considered a "top pairing" or "premium" Dman, when under Babcock and Keefe, they refuse to let the defensive deficient Reilly play the PK. So while Reilly might play the most minutes of any Leaf Dman, it' mostly due to "easy" though effective minute on the PK. Cody Ceci got a lot of hate on this site....but IMO it was Tyson Barrie who was Leafs worse Dman this season. Sure Barrie got points on the PP, but he didn't play the PK and even strength numbers were poor.
Regardless, if the worse Dmen a team has plays 14 minutes a game, they better be NHL competent as for sure they are going to seeing PK minutes as well as playing against top lines especially on the road.
Also all this site, there is an obsession with the Leafs and the Leafs only and the need for RHD. Doesn't matter the quality of player, seemingly the Leaf need any RHD and these RHD have to obtained at premium trade price to the Leafs.
You're right the Leafs seem to have enough quality NHL Dmen. Reilly, Muzzin, Dermot, Sandin, and Holl. That's five. Liljjegren and Marincin makes seven. Surely the Leaf can trade some cap in order find another competent Dman or two for the next season.

The Barabanov signing today ensures your wish of the Leafs trading a forward out to upgrade the defense with one additional player and think the player on the move will be Johnsson or Kerfoot.

Apr. 7, 2020 at 7:50 p.m.

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The Barabanov signing today ensures your wish of the Leafs trading a forward out to upgrade the defense with one additional player and think the player on the move will be Johnsson or Kerfoot.

I've thought for awhile that Johnsson would be preferred Leaf to traded, for cap reasons and that wingers are more easily replaced. Without even seeing Barabanov play, I kinda doubt if he I what the Leaf need. Is he NHL good enough? His age, size and stats don't scream NHLer to me.

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Apr. 8, 2020 at 1:14 a.m.

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Quoting: palhal

I've thought for awhile that Johnsson would be preferred Leaf to traded, for cap reasons and that wingers are more easily replaced. Without even seeing Barabanov play, I kinda doubt if he I what the Leaf need. Is he NHL good enough? His age, size and stats don't scream NHLer to me.

I actually think there is no way that the Leafs would be wasting this much time and resources scouting and courting Barabanov if he could not play. May be wrong but I think he is going to play really well with other highly skilled players like Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly. The Leafs were the best fit for Barabanov to be successful in the NHL.

I have been waiting for years for the Leafs to win another cup and I can smell the finish line right now just can not predict the exact date but know it is going to happen in the next 5 years.

Not saying you are wrong but I am just choosing to be a believer as thing the fun is just starting.

Apr. 8, 2020 at 9:04 a.m.

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Quoting: TML_Tika

I actually think there is no way that the Leafs would be wasting this much time and resources scouting and courting Barabanov if he could not play. May be wrong but I think he is going to play really well with other highly skilled players like Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly. The Leafs were the best fit for Barabanov to be successful in the NHL.

I have been waiting for years for the Leafs to win another cup and I can smell the finish line right now just can not predict the exact date but know it is going to happen in the next 5 years.

Not saying you are wrong but I am just choosing to be a believer as thing the fun is just starting.

LOL. See how long have you waiting for the Leaf to win another Cup? Check MY profile... I've been waiting longer.

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
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Gauthier, Frédérik $700,000$700,000 C UFA - 1
Agostino, Kenny $737,500$737,500 LW UFA - 1
Marincin, Martin $700,000$700,000 LD UFA - 1

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