interesting trade...could see this working

There's no chance the Hawks are interested. Goalies don't get nearly what people think. I swore to the big guy upstairs that Lehner was going to get more than he did. He got a 3rd. You get more value trade wise @ the TDL than in the summer too. I get the RFA status...and that'll offset the TDL vs summer...maybe a bit more too, but the value between a 3rd round pick VS Dylan Strome PLUS Connor Murphy is a mountain of a difference.

***EDIT*** also, if you're going to pay Strome $3.5M...the Hawks would just sign him for $3.5M and not trade him. He's looking for #2C money is the rumor.

To be fair Lehner got more than that. Murray as a former cup winner and RFA will also get even more than that...

Imo that offer is a good start. Pens might have to add a bit, but I don't see this necessarily being bad option for CHI.

it's weird to see a 2C being traded for the 3rd best goalie in an organization...

Lehner actually got them a 2nd and a prospect. I have made this AGM before where the main pieces were Strome and Murray, and I think that that can work for both teams. Chicago needs a goalie more than they need another C. I think they can make this deal work if both teams want it. If they still want to compete while they have Kane, Toews and Keith, a solid goalie is a big need.

It’s weird that you think a two time cup winning goalie with an amazing playoff track record is considered 3rd best.

You're right. 2nd. I got Gus and him flipped. You're right.

I like that you added Murphy, it gives us a tremendous right side defense. The thing is, I don’t think Strome will get his desired top 6 role in Pittsburgh.

I don’t want him to get it here I want him to put up 50+ points on a line with McCann.

I admit I got the 3rd/2nd wrong. I swapped Gus/Lehner's return. I'm not a fan of any Strome/Murray trade. Every single PIT goalie has been listed as "untouchable" in the last 4 years. PIT can keep them all. If we're talking just next year...I'd rather have Crow than ANY of PIT's goalies. Long term is a bit different, but goalies don't get #2Cs. Their trade value just isn't NEARLY as high as people think.

I do not think it would be a one for one. I had Murray/Simon for Strome. I think a pick can be added if that still is not fair, but I mean Murray can be a huge add for Chicago. They want Dach 2C, so Strome playing 3C does not make sense for them when they have bigger needs to fill.

I would LOVE for Strome to be the Hawks #3C. It means they can have 3 lines that can score. Their defense is their biggest issue for next year. Crow will sign for a 1 or 2 year deal. They'll need another veteran...I'm hoping Talbot, but Murray isn't an improvement (In my personal opinion) than that tandem. Why trade away...anything when you can get a Matt Murray as a UFA?

I mean Murray is still an RFA atm, but that is a fair opinion to have. I don't think Chicago's lineup, as is, is strong enough to make the playoffs just yet.

That's fair. hopefully there's a CBO for Seabs ~$7M. Kuba/Toews/Saad was strong last year. Dach/Kane Debrincat/Strome each play better when they're together. 4th line checking. If they can keep Strome that help a lot.

They would compliment each other well with their skillset but Strome’s market value is 5.64 million. That’s the type of money he’s looking for. Perhaps the he’d be willing to take less to win with the Pens, but not every player is willing to commit to a lesser role.

To be fair, Lehner has done two things in the NHL... Jack and ssssshhhhiiiiiiiiiiitttttteeee...

If Murray could get his cocky head out of his own butt the could be very good starter. Lehner is a high end backup that Buffalo tried to force into being a starter.

Strome for Murray/Simon/3rd is a fair trade in and of itself that i have seen several times on here and people have said its good value, but you added Murphy to it. He's not free. You have to give us something of value back

He was 3rd in Vezina voting last year and played outstanding this year despite the Hawks having an admittedly terrible defense.

No one would take Murray and his ahl level goaltending over Lehner quit being a ****

Pens have to add a lot Murray is not an asset and a top 6 C would get a lo more than that crap offer. Goalie is the least valuable position in the league

A career year does not a career make. This year be bounced back from that career year 2.13 GAA to a more normal (for him) 3.01 in Chicago. I know that it is not just about the numbers, but it is about not giving up goals. Anyone can look good with a giant wet blanket D in front of them.

If you want to consider Lehner a starter... then he is in the #30 range of 31 starters.

Oh, okay.

Youre busting out stats while ignoiring how Murray is worse than lehner (along with 40+ other goalies) in EVERY stat and thats on a decent team lmao. shut your dumb @ss up Lehner wins a cup on those pens teams while Murray is bounced. Youre comparing a system goalie to a vezina finalist and a jennings winner. Talk murray actually has a season where he is top 10 in a single category.

What is a top 6 C? Is that your 2nd line center in the minors? NHL 1C, 2C, 3C, 4C, then AHL 1C, 2C... Top 6 C.

"Goalie is the least valuable position in the league" - Explains your feelings on Lehner.

"I know that it is not just about the numbers..." Reading comprehension <-Google it. It will help you not look as foolish.