I don't see this trade happening ... I feel it's too big a price for Carolina to pay to get Cirelli. He's a great player, but Pesce is super valuable to the Canes and i think they'd probably rather keep Geekie with his great start.

Tampa getting ripped off here

You know nothing about Brett Pesce or Morgan Geekie, do you...Cirelli's amazing and IMO worth giving up a Pesce for, however, Pesce has one of the single-most valuable long-term extensions in the NHL right now. It would certainly not be an easy decision to give him up for what COULD (and there's a risk attached to that) be an even more valuable contract.

I'm a Canes fan that believes in taking calculated risks and actually giving up real value for the chance to improve your team. Nino-for-Rask type of ripoffs don't come along that often; This type of deal is more like the Lindholm/Hamilton "big assets-for-big assets" deal that the Canes FO have started to become known for.

Cirelli isn't getting traded, Other then an offer sheet that he would need to sign. He's going nowhere.

Offer sheets are nonsense and they rarely ever work unless the player in question is grossly overvalued by some organization (like Penner was to the Oilers). A win-win trade like this is more likely to be the way to go.

Totally agree offer sheets are nonsense, Just saying that in order to get Cirelli you'd need to blow away Julien Brisebois with a great offer. And i doubt this does it.

I think this offer is pretty great for Tampa, though I admittedly am biased about my beloved Canes. Objectively speaking, Pesce is one of the greatest contract vs. performance bargains in hockey. It would be a very tough pill to swallow to trade him for someone who might become a better bargain if everything goes right (and we know that's a rare outcome). I've said this above, but to me, Cirelli/Cernak for Pesce + would be 2020's version of Lindholm/Hanifin-for Hamilton +, where the price is very steep on both sides, but simultaneously, both sides benefit in different ways.

Expansion draft f*cks this up. This trade would end up as TB having to pick which one to leave unprotected between McDonagh, Pesce and Sergachev.

Considering what they will lose, I don't think they should go and trade for a high value d-man right now. Especially moving Cirelli for a D shouldn't be something to consider.

cernak has way better defense than Brett Pesce and Haydn Fleury combined and he younger, plus we don't need a another 2 way defense men, and Cirelli is more proven than Morgan Geekie in the NHL level, plus he outspend Mathew Barzal, coburn is now a healthy scratch so add him if you want or just keep him for free, if he waived, but we are not adding a 3rd

we will protect Sergachev, but i would not trade for that

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think it's an easy choice: protect Hedman, Pesce, and Sergachev. Francis IMO is unlikely to select McDonagh's contract.

Pesce: 91 block shots, 22 hits
Fleury: 45 block shots, 48 hits
cernak: 97 block shots, 172 hits
i forgot to mentioned that he put Mikko rantanen back in IR

Pesce's game, much like the rest of our defensive core, isn't reliant on physicality. He's simply excellent at skating and using his stick to break up plays. He's always among the top defensemen when it comes to his defensive metrics. Cernak certainly is very good, but Pesce is among the very best defensive defensemen.

although great, we have 4 games against Boston and i think that cernak fits better with us than the other defensemen as well as Cirelli. they brings a physical game to the bolts.

This is bad for Carolina long term. Cirelli is great, no one is denying that. However, Pesce makes peanuts for the next decade it feels like. That kind of cost controlled contract should not be moved unless it's for something truly Spectacular. I mean something along the lines of a Brayden Point over an Anthony Cirelli. I know it's incredibly unrealistic, but I don't think it's worth it otherwise. Plus Geekie looks like he could be a stud.

The whole deal is basically around a bet that the cap will go up after next year and that Cirelli and Cernak could be even bigger bargains than Pesce, depending on their trajectory. Unlike Tampa, our team has the cap room to go long-term on both and still have room for Dougie and Svech if Staal is able to be CBOed before the Expansion Draft. It's very similar to my Dylan Strome proposal in the sense that you're giving up cost certainty for the potential for even more gains on that front.

I love both Cirelli and Cernak, both are very underrated great players, but Pesce is a the single best D man in the NHL in his own end from an analytical perspective. It's not that Cirelli and Cerbak aren't great, it's that I truly do think you underrate Brett Pesce, which is a common theme. I highly recommend going over to CardiacCane and looking at the article that was recently published on Pesce because ti does outline all the facts about why Pesce is so brilliant and why he's so criminally underrated.

I don't think that I'm underrating Pesce at all. I know how good he is at defense and how ridiculously valuable his contract is. My goal was to create Hamilton/Lindholm 2.0, a deal where both teams give up a ton in exchange for a ton. Despite Tampa's cap situation, Cirelli is going to be tremendously expensive to acquire, perhaps not in terms of money but definitely in terms of assets. They're almost certainly not going to sell low on him like Chicago is rumored to be doing with Dylan Strome, a huge reason why I hope that the Canes pounce hard on yet another Carolina-Chicago pact.