that's not getting it done. try Caufield + Primeau + 2020 1st +2021 1st. even then Detroit probably isn't accepting it just because they're likely not interested in trading the pick.

I agree, but on term of value, it's about equal. Domi can do around 50-60pts a year. If Lafrenière can do 90-100, we must add the equivalent of around 50pts. Primeau won't produce offensively, but will be their 1st goalie for many years, so he's worth something. Harris will be a great dman. After, they get a 1st round next year, who will probably be between 15 and 20. Finally, we give them our fisrt 2nd round pick this year, which will land a great player.

Adding more than that would be much of an overpayment. If this doesn't work, going after Lafrenière isn't worth it.

Detroit says no way Jose, Try adding one of Caufield or Romanov to the deal. And Yzerman probably still turns it down. And i find it funny that you need to take one of our players so we can sign Mantha and Bertuzzi. Detroit will have close to $40 million to spend this summer with 13 players under contract. Pretty sure we can easily fill out the other 10 spots with our $40 million or so.

There are many players better than Helm that you can sign with this amount of money!

Add both Caufield and Romanov and Detroit still turns it down! Laf is the real deal. Detroit hasn’t picked first overall since 1986. If Detroit wins the draft lottery the pick is untouchable

It's more than just approximated points scored next season, in 7 years time Domi is washed up while Lafreniere is in his prime and could be challenging for Hart trophies. Laf will never be "worth" trading for because his potential is unbelievable and everybody wants him.

On what planet are you getting our #1 pick if your #8 pick isn't included in the deal? That's not remotely happening you're not getting 2 top 10 picks out of this deal. That's not even in the discussion. Your #8 pick is either in the deal or there's no deal this doesn't help Detroit in the very least. Yzerman would want both your 2020 1st and 20221 1st more or less to even get the conversation started.

A 50-60 point player + a good goalie prospect (but goalies are so unpredictable and Primeau could very well never be a regular NHLer) + a nobody D prospect + NEXT YEARS FIRST DOES NOT get you Laff.

If habs want laff, the only way they’ll land him is if they win the draft lottery

Offer them Suzuki, Caufield, and 8th overall and they might consider. Even then I doubt they accept. Lafreniere is a special prospect, it's going to take a king's ransom to trade for that pick.

Exactly that's why the asking price would be so exorbitant. This sure doesn't cut it doesn't even offer the #8 pick what gives with that.

Your also not taking into account Lafrenier is also going to be on a cheap elc for 3 years and under team control for 7. To get the 1st overall you have to over pay.

Alexis Lafreniere very well could be a perennial 90 to 100 point LW in this league. And his value and asking price would be enormous.

That's not how teams value players. McDavid puts up 120 points a year, that doesn't mean he's worth two 60 point players, lol. This deal doesn't get it done

If Detroit trades the first overall pick it would only be on the off chance that Yzerman has his heart set on Stutzle and moves down to pick 2 or 3 and gains some assets. If you want to make an offer for Lafreniere it would cost another elite prospect like Caufeild on top of some great young NHL players and picks

So here's the real answer:

https://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up

So basically the cost of moving from 8 ->1 will cost you the worth of the #8 pick + the #3 pick.

So let's presume your #8 is already in there.

Now what to add.

Basically, What is a package that is worth the #3 pick overall. According to the table, the #3 pick has a value of 60.

Let's say Max Domi is worth a late 1st + 2nd + 3rd. That comes out to a value of ~20-25.

Now Caufield or Romanov would both be in that 10-15 range in this years draft after how they've performed post draft. which has a value of 30-35.

On top of that you have about 0-10 left depending on how well you value Domi or Caufield.

So realistically the cost for moving up to 1st is approximately

2020 8th overall + Max Domi + Cole Caufield or Alex Romanov + 2020 Chi 2nd

And that's if you value Domi as being worth a 1st + 2nd + 3rd. If you don't then you probably need to add more. Most likely changing the 2020 2nd to a 2021 1st.

If you don't want to add your own #8 overall. Then you have to do A LOT just to get that value. Most likely Caufield AND Romanov ++