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MTL trade evaluation

Created by: RicXX
Team: 2019-20 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 13, 2020
Published: Apr. 13, 2020
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I see a bunch of people making trades to Montreal. I came up with one myself and wanted to see where others thought it would stand with values. Please be insiteful and elaborate, not just say pass, or that it's stupid.

Just the trade and not the team, I understand the team needs more than the way it shows.
Trades
CHI
  1. Domi, Max
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Nylander, Alexander
  2. Saad, Brandon
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (PIT)
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2020
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 11:45 a.m.
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I don't think Habs accept. Domi is great but he's in a down year and those are two high second round picks. On the other hand, Nylander is not so great and Saad is great but does not fix our scoring issues
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 11:45 a.m.
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Remove the 2nd round picks from the trade and the value is closer IMO; maybe a 4th going back Chicago.
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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Just don’t get your evaluation here? Max Domi is clearly the best players in that deal, he is rfa for 2 more year, fairly young at 25. Mtl then give 2 high second round pick with Domi to acquire Saad who Clearly had seen is best day behind him, he is not a great skater so he will probably face a quick decline passing 30. He is also becoming Rfa in 2 years so will be looking for big money. Nylander is no more a high price prospect, he look more and more like a players who cannot live up to expectations. The second round pick is a late one so this make absolutely no sense from the Habs point a view. Values are just way off here.
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 11:54 a.m.
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I personally wouldn't do it. Saad is years removed from being even a 50 point guy with only 1 year before hes UFA and Nylander has yet to really break through in the NHL yet. Habs give up two low 2nd round picks also?
Apr. 13, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.
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Just don’t get your evaluation here? Max Domi is clearly the best players in that deal, he is rfa for 2 more year, fairly young at 25. Mtl then give 2 high second round pick with Domi to acquire Saad who Clearly had seen is best day behind him, he is not a great skater so he will probably face a quick decline passing 30. He is also becoming Rfa in 2 years so will be looking for big money. Nylander is no more a high price prospect, he look more and more like a players who cannot live up to expectations. The second round pick is a late one so this make absolutely no sense from the Habs point a view. Values are just way off here.


Your assessment of Saad is WAY off. Saad was on pace for 47 points and 30 goals which is not only still producing at a very good clip for him, but is actually better then Domi at 50 points and 20 goals comparably this past season. Furthermore, to suggest Saad is not a great skater is crazy. Saad is a fast two way winger, and has a burst that many players and the league don't have. Just look at how many breakaway chances Saad had this past season. Lastly, he's only 27 years old not passing 30 which is only 2 years older then Domi, and on year...he's a UFA after this season not a RFA in two years.

I'm clearly not advocating this trade is fair based on contract status and age as noted above, but you are obviously not much aware of Saad.
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 11:57 a.m.
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I personally wouldn't do it. Saad is years removed from being even a 50 point guy with only 1 year before hes UFA and Nylander has yet to really break through in the NHL yet. Habs give up two low 2nd round picks also?


Ummm....Saad was on pace for 47 points and 30 goals this season; better stats then Domi's 50 points and 20 goals if you are comparing points/goals as production. I'd argue also that Saad is a better two way player.

Again, as noted above, I'm not advocating for the trade in this AGM being fair, but let's deal with facts first.
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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Ok I see that this is really about what Saad's value is.
My though process was:
Saad = Domi, MTL 2nd, Half Chi Second
Nylander, Pit Second = Half Chi Second
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:18 p.m.
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Ummm....Saad was on pace for 47 points and 30 goals this season; better stats then Domi's 50 points and 20 goals if you are comparing points/goals as production. I'd argue also that Saad is a better two way player.

Again, as noted above, I'm not advocating for the trade in this AGM being fair, but let's deal with facts first.


50 is a bigger number than 47 if you want to deal with facts
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:19 p.m.
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50 is a bigger number than 47 if you want to deal with facts


And so is 30 vs. 20 to a even bigger degree...and let's not pretend goals are more important then assists especially when considering secondary assists which points includes.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:23 p.m.
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And so is 30 vs. 20 to a even bigger degree...and let's not pretend goals are more important then assists especially when considering secondary assists which points includes.


Domi produces as a playmaker

"lets not pretend goals are more important than assists" you just contradicted the point you're trying to make, stop.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:24 p.m.
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Domi produces as a playmaker

"lets not pretend goals are more important than assists" you just contradicted the point you're trying to make, stop.


How so? That was a sarcastic statement as OBVIOUSLY goals are more important
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:26 p.m.
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How so? That was a sarcastic statement as OBVIOUSLY goals are more important


that statement is saying you don't think goals are more important than assists...the point you are trying to make is goals are more important than assists
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.
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How so? That was a sarcastic statement as OBVIOUSLY goals are more important


no they are not, no player can score 30 unassisted goals
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.
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that statement is saying you don't think goals are more important than assists...the point you are trying to make is goals are more important than assists


I was being sarcastic as you only pointed out assists and chose to ignore a much greater difference (over 3x) in goals between Saad and Domi
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:28 p.m.
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I was being sarcastic as you only pointed out assists and chose to ignore a much greater difference (over 3x) in goals between Saad and Domi


Saad and Marner have a massive difference in goals, who would you rather have
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:29 p.m.
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no they are not, no player can score 30 unassisted goals


LMAO, you can't be serious. Goals are much higher value then assists. How many players score unassisted goals? However there are assists without goals. Furthermore, secondary assists (which points doesn't exclude) has even lesser value then goals or primary assists.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:30 p.m.
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Your assessment of Saad is WAY off. Saad was on pace for 47 points and 30 goals which is not only still producing at a very good clip for him, but is actually better then Domi at 50 points and 20 goals comparably this past season. Furthermore, to suggest Saad is not a great skater is crazy. Saad is a fast two way winger, and has a burst that many players and the league don't have. Just look at how many breakaway chances Saad had this past season. Lastly, he's only 27 years old not passing 30 which is only 2 years older then Domi, and on year...he's a UFA after this season not a RFA in two years.

I'm clearly not advocating this trade is fair based on contract status and age as noted above, but you are obviously not much aware of Saad.


Domi just turned 25 a few day’s ago and saad will be 28 at the start of next season. Also i like the way you rounded up the point total to your advantage ahah. If you roundup to the higher number do it for both.
Domi as mainly played with Weal, Lehkonen, Armia for most of the season.
Who Linemates saad had mostly this year?
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:30 p.m.
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LMAO, you can't be serious. Goals are much higher value then assists. How many players score unassisted goals? However there are assists without goals. Furthermore, secondary assists (which points doesn't exclude) has even lesser value then goals or primary assists.


"there are assists without goals" what?
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.
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Saad and Marner have a massive difference in goals, who would you rather have


Age is a big factor in that #1. #2 they are completely different players.

Let me rephrase your question; comparing two more types of players, who would you rather have at the age of 22...Marner today or Kane when he was t22 despite only putting up 73 points at that age?
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.
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Domi just turned 25 a few day’s ago and saad will be 28 at the start of next season. Also i like the way you rounded up the point total to your advantage ahah. If you roundup to the higher number do it for both.
Domi as mainly played with Weal, Lehkonen, Armia for most of the season.
Who Linemates saad had mostly this year?


1) You mean a few weeks ago...about 6 weeks ago.

2) But again, goals are weighted the sames as primary assists and secondary assists as it relates to point production which is why when you SOLELY judge a player off of points, it's a misrepresentation of the value of a player. Not a single professional player, GM, coach, or scout evaluates players based off of only points and every single one of them value goals (more so for wingers and centers) higher then the solely points.

3) Toews and Kubalik
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:36 p.m.
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Age is a big factor in that #1. #2 they are completely different players.

Let me rephrase your question; comparing two more types of players, who would you rather have at the age of 22...Marner today or Kane when he was t22 despite only putting up 73 points at that age?


Domi and Saad are also completely different players lmao
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:36 p.m.
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"there are assists without goals" what?


Obviously an error in typing. On a conference call for work so not giving this my full attention. are should be "aren't"
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:39 p.m.
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Domi and Saad are also completely different players lmao


Agree...and which player is the more complete all around player playing both ends of the ice and on the PP and PK? But let's just compare point production only and ignore goal production in addition to all the other attributes! LOL

Like I said in my first response to this AGM, I'm not advocating this AGM is fair, in fact it is the opposite, but Domi to Saad's value is not that far off in reality.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 12:41 p.m.
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1) You mean a few weeks ago...about 6 weeks ago.

2) But again, goals are weighted the sames as primary assists and secondary assists as it relates to point production which is why when you SOLELY judge a player off of points, it's a misrepresentation of the value of a player. Not a single professional player, GM, coach, or scout evaluates players based off of only points and every single one of them value goals (more so for wingers and centers) higher then the solely points.

3) Toews and Kubalik


40 days in a 365 day’s calendar few day my friend. And assists are as important as goal. Hockey is a team sport, from those 30 goal maybe 20 of them wouldn’t have occur if a teammate wouldn’t have made a play. So stop with that bullshat. Yes goal is important but assists are as important. Talk about it to Brett Hull who literally had career season after career year playing with Adam Oates. He never reached same number after Oates departure.
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Sorry for opening up Pandora's box on this one, but the passion for both players is evident! See why I was having a tough time with it.

Ok maybe remove the MTL second, and the Pit second from the trade.

So MTL gets - Saad and Nylander
Chi gets - Domi and Chi Second

Saad in my opinion has the edge with his two way play over Domi. Something over looked or not given much value.
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