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Better D

Created by: Jameshgfgn
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 13, 2020
Published: Apr. 13, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Pay HIll a little more so you get a 2 way contract. Ian Scott souls go to the ECHL seeing as his missed an entire year with injury.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,250,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$835,000
2$1,650,000
4$2,250,000
2$1,900,000
4$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$3,200,000
3$750,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Wallmark, Lucas [RFA Rights]
  2. Weegar, MacKenzie [RFA Rights]
2.
TOR
ARI
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. 2020 6th round pick (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. Larsson, Adam
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  3. 2020 5th round pick (EDM)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$82,500,000$82,451,449$0$0$48,551
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
$2,250,000$2,250,000
C
UFA - 1
$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$835,000$835,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
$3,200,000$3,200,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 2
$1,900,000$1,900,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,275,000$5,275,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1

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Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:14 p.m.
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this is so so so unnecessary
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:15 p.m.
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this is so so so unnecessary


In what way
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:16 p.m.
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oilers say no
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Jameshgfgn
In what way


they already have Holl and Liljegren to play on the 2nd and 3rd pairs. Larsson is a 3rd pairing defenseman so they dont need him. if they get Weegar they dont need Demelo. you went out and got 3 guys when they only need 1
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:21 p.m.
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Even if it was just Kapanen I wouldn't do that Oilers trade. Add Holl, who performed very well paired with Muzzin, and it makes it very lopsided.
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:21 p.m.
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they already have Holl and Liljegren to play on the 2nd and 3rd pairs. Larsson is a 3rd pairing defenseman so they dont need him. if they get Weegar they dont need Demelo. you went out and got 3 guys when they only need 1


LOL Larsson is a 3rd pair D. Thats pretty funny.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:21 p.m.
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they already have Holl and Liljegren to play on the 2nd and 3rd pairs. Larsson is a 3rd pairing defenseman so they dont need him. if they get Weegar they dont need Demelo. you went out and got 3 guys when they only need 1

Liljiegren is not ready. Holl is ok but can be wildly inconsistent.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:23 p.m.
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hill could be interesting as could be the next #1 for toronto or he can split duties with campbell so 41/41 like what the islanders are doing. But I dont know if Arizona does this or if hill is ready to be a full time #1 goalie
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:24 p.m.
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why do they want Adin Hill?
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:25 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Even if it was just Kapanen I wouldn't do that Oilers trade. Add Holl, who performed very well paired with Muzzin, and it makes it very lopsided.

But holl can only play with muzzin that’s the problem and you get puljujarvi who can easily replace kappa for cheaper
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:26 p.m.
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Hossa only has 1m left in actual salary so dont think there is much value in doing that.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Copenhagen
LOL Larsson is a 3rd pair D. Thats pretty funny.


Yup it it. Imagine giving up a future hart winner for a 3rd pairing defenseman
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:28 p.m.
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why do they want Adin Hill?

Good possible #1 and you can never have to many good goalie prospects as they are vodo also Scott lost a whole year and had hip surgery who knows what he will be like when he plays again
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Jameshgfgn
Liljiegren is not ready. Holl is ok but can be wildly inconsistent.


He was fantastic with muzzin. Some consistancy would make him look a lot better. Liljegren should be ready. He was put in a terrible position to start off. Give him a full season with sandin and he will put up great results
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:29 p.m.
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Anton Forsberg is a UFA and can probably be signed as a 3rd goalie for under 1m
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:30 p.m.
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But holl can only play with muzzin that’s the problem and you get puljujarvi who can easily replace kappa for cheaper


That's just not true. Holl can play with or without Muzzin. Did he perform better with Muzzin? Yes, most players will as Muzzin is an excellent partner. There is absolutely zero evidence that Puljujarvi can replace Kapanen's production.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:33 p.m.
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Quoting: Jack_
Yup it it. Imagine giving up a future hart winner for a 3rd pairing defenseman


Do you even watch hockey, who is a future hart winner and Holl wouldn't even make the Oilers roster and that includes the 7th and 8th D. He wouldn't even get top pairing minutes on the Oilers farm team.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Jameshgfgn
Good possible #1 and you can never have to many good goalie prospects as they are vodo also Scott lost a whole year and had hip surgery who knows what he will be like when he plays again


he's never shown anything at any level that he could be a starter. He's got "may turn into an ok back up" numbers at best. There's a guy at least this good and cheap on waivers every year and the Leafs shouldnt be trading one of their best PKers to get one
Apr. 13, 2020 at 5:52 p.m.
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Do you even watch hockey, who is a future hart winner and Holl wouldn't even make the Oilers roster and that includes the 7th and 8th D. He wouldn't even get top pairing minutes on the Oilers farm team.


Who won the 17-18 hart trophy? Holl has been very good for the leafs in a shut down pairing with muzzin. He definitely isnt doing all the heavy lifting on that pair but hes put up extremely good numbers for a guy that only played 11 games in the previous season.

I can without a doubt say hes easily better then Larsson, Russell, Green, Benning and Jones. That makes him the Oilers 4th best defenseman.
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 6:01 p.m.
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Who won the 17-18 hart trophy? Holl has been very good for the leafs in a shut down pairing with muzzin. He definitely isnt doing all the heavy lifting on that pair but hes put up extremely good numbers for a guy that only played 11 games in the previous season.

I can without a doubt say hes easily better then Larsson, Russell, Green, Benning and Jones. That makes him the Oilers 4th best defenseman.


Zero chance of that

Benning...During the last three seasons at 5v5, Benning has ranked 18th among NHL defenceman with over 2300 minutes played in goals for percentage with a 54.87 — a far cry from the next ranked Oilers D in Darnell Nurse, who ranks 75th with a GF% of 49.43.

Larsson...In his last three months of play, however, 36 games in total, Larsson has started to boss the game, at least along the defensive boards and in the defensive slot. He’s +4 official NHL goals plus-minus in those 36 games. He’s made major contributions to 24 Grade A scoring chances at even strength and major mistakes on just 41 against, which is a damn good ratio of plus-to-minus for a d-man, given that defenders have limited opportunities on the attack but more responsibility than any other position player on defence.

Caleb Jones is 22 and played top pairing minutes last year with Larsson for about 10 games. The guy is going to be a top 4 D man in the league and is already proving that now. I will take Jones over Holl any day of the week.
Apr. 13, 2020 at 6:02 p.m.
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Dude hill rejects that offer. Not only that, coyotes will just reclaim him after you waive him
Apr. 13, 2020 at 6:02 p.m.
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hill could be interesting as could be the next #1 for toronto or he can split duties with campbell so 41/41 like what the islanders are doing. But I dont know if Arizona does this or if hill is ready to be a full time #1 goalie


Between Hill and Prosvetov, that is the coyotes future, if they traded hill, it would be to reclaim him after as a troll
Apr. 13, 2020 at 6:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Jack_
they already have Holl and Liljegren to play on the 2nd and 3rd pairs. Larsson is a 3rd pairing defenseman so they dont need him. if they get Weegar they dont need Demelo. you went out and got 3 guys when they only need 1



Exodus 32:27

And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

And Keefe said unto them, thus saith the Dubas GM of LeafLand, Put every man by his stick by his right side and go in and from team to team throughout the league and trade for every RHD for a winger and every RHD for a LHD and every RHD for a draft pick.
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 6:09 p.m.
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Zero chance of that

Benning...During the last three seasons at 5v5, Benning has ranked 18th among NHL defenceman with over 2300 minutes played in goals for percentage with a 54.87 — a far cry from the next ranked Oilers D in Darnell Nurse, who ranks 75th with a GF% of 49.43.

Larsson...In his last three months of play, however, 36 games in total, Larsson has started to boss the game, at least along the defensive boards and in the defensive slot. He’s +4 official NHL goals plus-minus in those 36 games. He’s made major contributions to 24 Grade A scoring chances at even strength and major mistakes on just 41 against, which is a damn good ratio of plus-to-minus for a d-man, given that defenders have limited opportunities on the attack but more responsibility than any other position player on defence.

Caleb Jones is 22 and played top pairing minutes last year with Larsson for about 10 games. The guy is going to be a top 4 D man in the league and is already proving that now. I will take Jones over Holl any day of the week.


leafs fan here- while I wouldn't do that trade, there's no way that it can be argued that holl is better than jones and Larsson. Sorry for our fanbase
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Apr. 13, 2020 at 6:16 p.m.
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Quoting: MMXD
Between Hill and Prosvetov, that is the coyotes future, if they traded hill, it would be to reclaim him after as a troll


or the leafs done waive him they keep the 3 goalie system giving freddie even more rest genius
 
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