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Pierre McGuire Crazy Cap 61M

Created by: Pens3lieve
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 14, 2020
Published: Apr. 14, 2020
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
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Yeah that's not possible. I lowered RFA contracts, traded away JJ and Bjugstad, compliance bought out Hornqvist, and even swapped Zucker for Rakell to Lower the cap hit. McGuire is nuts. Never gonna happen.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Angello, Anthony2$750,000
Knott, Graham2$750,000
Lafferty, Sam2$750,000
Miletic, Sam2$750,000
Nyberg, John2$750,000
Riikola, Juuso2$750,000
Jarry, Tristan2$2,500,000
McCann, Jared2$2,500,000
Rodrigues, Evan2$1,000,000
Simon, Dominik2$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marleau, Patrick1$750,000
Trades
1.
PIT
    Compliance Buy Out
    ANA
    1. Hörnqvist, Patric
    2.
    PIT
    1. 2021 7th round pick (OTT)
    OTT
    1. Bjugstad, Nick
    2. Johnson, Jack
    3. Hållander, Filip
    4. 2022 2nd round pick (PIT)
    3.
    PIT
    1. Rakell, Rickard
    ANA
    1. Zucker, Jason
    2. Björkqvist, Kasper
    4.
    PIT
      Sits out the year in a contract dispute. What a way to cap off an impossible, crazy, offseason scenario.
      ANA
      1. Murray, Matt [RFA Rights]
      Retained Salary Transactions
      • Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2020
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      2021
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      2022
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      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      22$61,500,000$65,663,314$0$850,000-$4,163,314
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
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      Simon, Dominik
      $1,000,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 1
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      Crosby, Sidney
      $8,700,000
      C
      NMC
      UFA - 5
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      Rakell, Rickard
      $2,463,139
      RW, LW
      UFA - 2
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      Guentzel, Jake
      $6,000,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 4
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      Malkin, Evgeni
      $9,500,000
      C
      NMC
      UFA - 2
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      Rust, Bryan
      $3,500,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 2
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      Marleau, Patrick
      $750,000
      LW, C
      UFA - 1
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      McCann, Jared
      $2,500,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 2
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      Rodrigues, Evan
      $1,000,000
      RW, C
      UFA - 1
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      Aston-Reese, Zach
      $1,000,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1
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      Blueger, Teddy
      $750,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 1
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      Tanev, Brandon
      $3,500,000
      RW, LW
      NTC
      UFA - 5
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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      Dumoulin, Brian
      $4,100,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 3
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      Letang, Kris
      $7,250,000
      RD
      NMC NTC
      UFA - 2
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      Jarry, Tristan
      $2,500,000
      G
      UFA - 3
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      Pettersson, Marcus
      $4,025,175
      LD
      UFA - 5
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      Marino, John
      $925,000
      RD
      UFA - 1
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      DeSmith, Casey
      $1,250,000
      G
      UFA - 2
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      Riikola, Juuso
      $750,000
      LD
      UFA - 2
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      Ruhwedel, Chad
      $700,000
      RD
      UFA - 1
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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      Trotman, Zach
      $700,000
      RD
      UFA - 1
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      Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
      $863,333
      LD
      RFA - 2
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      Lafferty, Sam
      $750,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 2
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      Lee, Cameron
      $925,000
      LD
      RFA - 2
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      O'Connor, Drew
      $925,000
      LW
      RFA - 2
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      Poulin, Samuel
      $894,167
      LW, RW
      RFA - 4

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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 2:40 p.m.
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      The lowest he said was a 40% reduction which brings it below 50 mil... 🤡
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 2:40 p.m.
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      Context?
      Apr. 14, 2020 at 2:40 p.m.
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      vote in the poll, and how crazy/impossible is this? McGuire said the cap might go down 25-40%. this is an example of how impossible it is to go down just 25%. never gonna happen.
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.
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      Pierre McGuire said in an interview the cap might go down 25-40%. this illustrated how impossible it is for that to happen for the team next year.
      https://pittsburghhockeynow.com/mcguire-says-salary-cap-could-be-reduced-by-40-pittsburgh-penguins/
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.
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      Quoting: AFOX10900
      The lowest he said was a 40% reduction which brings it below 50 mil... 🤡


      crazy and impossible.
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 2:51 p.m.
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      Quoting: Pens3lieve
      Pierre McGuire said in an interview the cap might go down 25-40%. this illustrated how impossible it is for that to happen for the team next year.


      Ahh gotcha. Yeah even besides this whole thing, there is a reason McGuire is no longer in the NHL. He's an encyclopedia of hockey knowledge and back in the day when the internet wasn't around, he was a valuable person by your side but now he is become obsolete. His hockey knowledge has been surpassed by his understanding of where the game is now. He's great for explaining things to people who have no idea of how hockey and sports are run so he comes off as a real smart cookie but the minute you get to a certain level his takes are absolutely ridiculous.

      It would LITERALLY be impossible for the league to create a mandatory cap decrease to those numbers. The total amount of guaranteed contracts currently in the NHL would already probably surpass that and if it doesn't, would certainly surpass it with just signing the one best UFA/RFA player on each team and at the bare minimum they would realistically be willing to sign for too. Players would have to agree to rollbacks, CBO's and other mechanics to make that work.... it just doesn't make sense.

      What a silly take by Pierre....
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 2:53 p.m.
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      Never gonna happen.
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 2:56 p.m.
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      Quoting: MisstheWhalers
      Never gonna happen.


      We know that, but does Pierre know that?
      Apr. 14, 2020 at 2:56 p.m.
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      If the cap dropped by 25-40%, all current contracts would be subject to rollbacks so that teams could stay within the upper limits. The NHL won't expect teams to stay within a $60M limit with just 1 CBO.
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 3:02 p.m.
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      Quoting: Pens3lieve
      Pierre McGuire said in an interview the cap might go down 25-40%. this illustrated how impossible it is for that to happen for the team next year.
      https://pittsburghhockeynow.com/mcguire-says-salary-cap-could-be-reduced-by-40-pittsburgh-penguins/


      yeah that's insane. The thing is with that is that even if the higher paying teams trading away their high cap hits, they don't just disappear; then the other team is dealing with cap issues then. Basically the league would turn into a circus act trying to balance everyones cap hits, so unless if there's somehow a decrease in a cap hit or something idk what he's on about.
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 3:05 p.m.
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      Quoting: Pens3lieve
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      vote in the poll, and how crazy/impossible is this? McGuire said the cap might go down 25-40%. this is an example of how impossible it is to go down just 25%. never gonna happen.


      I really hope that doesn't happen. As is I feel like some teams are going through serious cap hell and cutting down cap will discourage large deals to happen.
      Apr. 14, 2020 at 3:11 p.m.
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      zucker has been a good fit so far, pens wont trade him
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.
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      And now a community message from the NHLPA...
      "STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE"
      cry
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 3:23 p.m.
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      zucker has been a good fit so far, pens wont trade him


      I wouldn't either. I love Zucker. This represents a nightmare scenario on all fronts. No depth and way weaker team.
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 3:24 p.m.
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      If the cap dropped by 25-40%, all current contracts would be subject to rollbacks so that teams could stay within the upper limits. The NHL won't expect teams to stay within a $60M limit with just 1 CBO.


      That makes a little more sense, but still I don't want it to happen. Hope it doesn't mess with Sid's superstitions as he's making $8.7M...
      Apr. 14, 2020 at 3:28 p.m.
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      If they did a significant reduction like this, it would be accompanied by rollbacks of current salaries like they did with the original salary cap season in 2005-06. All current contract values would take a 25-40% reduction. Would be a tough sell to the NHLPA to get them to accept significant rollbacks, but might be preferable to allowing the players to keep their current salaries and lose the money to escrow instead.

      Don't forget, the players only get 50% of revenues, whether it comes off the front in reduction of salary or off the back through escrow, they're not entitled to $1 over 50% of league revenues. If that is down 40% due to the pandemic, then it might be preferable for them to accept the reduction in salaries.
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      Apr. 14, 2020 at 8:53 p.m.
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      I don't know why anyone believes click bait.
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      Apr. 15, 2020 at 9:20 a.m.
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      Quoting: Pens3lieve
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      vote in the poll, and how crazy/impossible is this? McGuire said the cap might go down 25-40%. this is an example of how impossible it is to go down just 25%. never gonna happen.


      There is NO WAY this could happen, McGuire is full of poo poo.

      States & countries would inject money into teams to make them keep running bf this would happen.

      ** anyways - does it really matter ?? This is looking worse & worse for the long term everyday this goes on & It looks like there wont be any games played till summer of 2021 at the very earliest, unless there is a vaccine
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      Apr. 17, 2020 at 5:47 p.m.
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      Quoting: Pens3lieve
      @pharrow @mhockey91 @Sidstick87 @MajesticWalrus @ChampEddy @Eugene_Meltsner @acj @Sebybbq @NoWah49 @Marcsnack @MitchMarnerElite @csick @ryandrisc @TabooPenguo @Jr_pens @claysbar @PakNation7 @Missouri @schlegel @hockeygm
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      vote in the poll, and how crazy/impossible is this? McGuire said the cap might go down 25-40%. this is an example of how impossible it is to go down just 25%. never gonna happen.


      If it drops that far, they'd have to do a rollback on salaries AND 2 CBO's.
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      Apr. 17, 2020 at 5:52 p.m.
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      McGuire is nuts.
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      Apr. 17, 2020 at 6:06 p.m.
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      McGuire is nuts.


      Bring back hockey with no fans in 1 area where everyone is tested. Have games running all day long. Only have them available on center ice with no regional restrictions. Charge a bit extra to make up some difference. Boom
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      Apr. 17, 2020 at 6:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: csick
      Bring back hockey with no fans in 1 area where everyone is tested. Have games running all day long. Only have them available on center ice with no regional restrictions. Charge a bit extra to make up some difference. Boom


      That would be great and no one should complain. I think it is possible.
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      Apr. 17, 2020 at 6:17 p.m.
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      Bring back hockey with no fans in 1 area where everyone is tested. Have games running all day long. Only have them available on center ice with no regional restrictions. Charge a bit extra to make up some difference. Boom


      that set up reminds me a lot the hockey tournaments I used to play in when I was a kid tears of joy
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      Apr. 17, 2020 at 6:20 p.m.
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      Quoting: mhockey91
      that set up reminds me a lot the hockey tournaments I used to play in when I was a kid tears of joy


      I swear there’s so many places in the states where they can do sports and be pretty isolated.

      Anywhere in Arizona, Nevada, North Dakota, Minnesota etc
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      Apr. 17, 2020 at 6:21 p.m.
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      I swear there’s so many places in the states where they can do sports and be pretty isolated.

      Anywhere in Arizona, Nevada, North Dakota, Minnesota etc


      I hope it happens, but regardless, there will always be a big asterisk next to who wins the cup this year.
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