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Instead of the Proposed Florida Trade

Created by: aadoyle
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Initial Creation Date: Apr. 13, 2020
Published: Apr. 14, 2020
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So I have been seeing the florida trade going around and then I went thought about what chris johnston said and I did a little different trade involving dermott kerfoot. Instead of florida I traded them to Vancouver. Trade is fair for both sides as vancouver will get a proper 3c and he is from the area so an added bonus there. They also get a cheap 3rd pairing D who should do alright with them.

As for the islanders trade pretty standard. We buy out boychuck they give us mayfield. Bouthiller can play for their ahl or echl team and bracco for ho-sang is a simple 1 for 1 which is fine. the 4th pick is just an added bonus. And mayfield can play with rielly or muzzin

As for Johnsson and engvall moved to ottawa for picks. Ottawa gets 2 players to help speed up the rebuild and toronto gets cap relief.

For the rest of the team, I brought back spezza. Brower could be interesting on the leafs 4th line paired with spezza and he has been known to be a beast in the playoffs so we shall see. Also brought back mikeyv as he is a suitable replacement for johnsson or engvall.

This is just another Idea the vancouver trade is pretty similar to the florida one and should benefit both sides. Also decided to give Agostino a chance to show what he has got for the leafs 4th line.

As for a future starter this is where I leave it to the readers who do you think the leafs should sign?
Free Agent Signings
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2$1,500,000
2$700,000
4$2,500,000
4$3,500,000
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1$700,000
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  1. Bouthillier, Zachary [Reserve List]
  2. Bracco, Jeremy [RFA Rights]
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TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (CBJ)
  2. 2020 5th round pick (TBL)
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  1. Gaudette, Adam [RFA Rights]
  2. Stecher, Troy [RFA Rights]
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22$81,500,000$80,962,283$0$0$537,717

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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 1
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C, LW
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UFA - 1
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Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:02 p.m.
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I was debating a kapenan for bear trade and so I put it on Fantasytrades and now my trade is trending for popular trades tears of joy

https://www.fantasysp.com/trade/nhl/14515367/kerfoot-dermott-gaudette-stecher
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:03 p.m.
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Troy Brouwer couldnt make an AHL 4th line interesting at this point
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:04 p.m.
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Troy Brouwer couldnt make an AHL 4th line interesting at this point


for 700k its risk free if he does not perform waive him to the marlies and bring up Agostino
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:06 p.m.
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for 700k its risk free if he does not perform waive him to the marlies and bring up Agostino


yeah, id just skip right over the part where we find out what we already know and bring up Agostino. Or Keep Engvall because he's good
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.
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yeah, id just skip right over the part where we find out what we already know and bring up Agostino. Or Keep Engvall because he's good


got rid of him and brought up agostino. Apparently he is a pretty solid 4th liner and he and korshkov have good chemistry with the marlies so adding a veteran like spezza in the mix could be interesting.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.
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This is interesting, but toronto is getting the two better players. Why the FLA trade works is TOR gives the better F for the better D. Gaudette is already about at Kerfoot's level (defensively slightly worse), but has a higher ceiling. Stecher is about what Dermott will peak at. VAN appears to be loyal to gaudette. I'm willing to part with Stecher, but TOR doesn't have all that much for appealing assets. Maybe Dermott and a 3rd for Stecher?
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.
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Man... That Vancouver trade is... rough, to say the least
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This is interesting, but toronto is getting the two better players.


Oh, dude...
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:32 p.m.
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This is interesting, but toronto is getting the two better players. Why the FLA trade works is TOR gives the better F for the better D. Gaudette is already about at Kerfoot's level (defensively slightly worse), but has a higher ceiling. Stecher is about what Dermott will peak at. VAN appears to be loyal to gaudette. I'm willing to part with Stecher, but TOR doesn't have all that much for appealing assets. Maybe Dermott and a 3rd for Stecher?


I know many say stetcher is an iffy defenseman but Muzzin has a habit of turning these defenseman into genuine top 4 RD's. Sure they wont be superstar material but they will still play well with him just look at what Holl was able to acheive with him. Anyone who he is paired with often has greater sucess so stetcher should see better defensive numbers and have a much better performance if paired with him. As for gaudette, he is Kerfoot but cheaper. He plays about the same and has the same fiery attitude that will add some toughness to the team. Plus kerfoot is a home town boy from vancouver and they would probs love to have him there
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:34 p.m.
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I know many say stetcher is an ok defenseman but Muzzin has a habit of turning these defenseman into genuine top 4 RD's. Anyone who he is paired with often has greater sucess so stetcher should see better defensive numbers and have a much better performance if paired with him. As for gaudette, he is Kerfoot but cheaper. He plays about the same and has the same fiery attitude that will add some toughness to the team. Plus kerfoot is a home town boy from vancouver and they would probs love to have him there


but what does that do for VAN?

I agree that Muzzin will probably help grow Stecher, but you have to base his value on what he IS, not what he WILL BE (as a non-prospect). And that's a knock on the VAN end.

Gaudette is Kerfoot but cheaper, meaning he has more value.

So if Stecher > Dermott and Gaudette > Kerfoot, why does vancouver have any reason to take this deal?
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:34 p.m.
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Oh, dude...


what.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:37 p.m.
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what.


This

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toronto is getting the two better players.


Blatantly untrue
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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but what does that do for VAN?

I agree that Muzzin will probably help grow Stecher, but you have to base his value on what he IS, not what he WILL BE (as a non-prospect). And that's a knock on the VAN end.

Gaudette is Kerfoot but cheaper, meaning he has more value.

So if Stecher > Dermott and Gaudette > Kerfoot, why does vancouver have any reason to take this deal?


Vancouver takes the deal as they will get a better 3c in Kerfoot and a cheaper depth defenseman in Dermott. Kerfoot and Guadette play similar but kerfoot is better in his ability to play the puck and play those areas most players often avoid. Kerfoot rn has more value than gaudette and is a home town boy of vancouver which makes him very tempting to acquire plus he has more experience which makes him a valuable asset to the team. As for Stetcher he is a RD the leafs could use as he can come cheap and play pretty well in his role. Dermott can fit in well with the canucks and play on the third pairing. Plus they can sign him for cheap which is an added bonus as they will be cap strapped next season.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:44 p.m.
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Ottawa doesn't need or want Johnsson. I think they would be interested in Engvall though.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:46 p.m.
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Ottawa doesn't need or want Johnsson. I think they would be interested in Engvall though.


actually johnsson would be a welcomed addition to the team. His cap hit is good, when he is healthy he can play on any line, and is overall a solid player who can help their pp or pk and he is a significant upgrade over most of their current wings despite being injured.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 4:57 p.m.
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Vancouver takes the deal as they will get a better 3c in Kerfoot and a cheaper depth defenseman in Dermott. Kerfoot and Guadette play similar but kerfoot is better in his ability to play the puck and play those areas most players often avoid. Kerfoot rn has more value than gaudette and is a home town boy of vancouver which makes him very tempting to acquire plus he has more experience which makes him a valuable asset to the team. As for Stetcher he is a RD the leafs could use as he can come cheap and play pretty well in his role. Dermott can fit in well with the canucks and play on the third pairing. Plus they can sign him for cheap which is an added bonus as they will be cap strapped next season.


The hometown thing is more of a UFA/July 1 chip than something GMs look for in trades.

Kerfoot might be the better center right now, but within a year that will be gaudette. His ceiling is higher. When I say better player, I should re-clarify as "having more value"

Dermott isn't that great. While yes, there's a spot on our team for him, he is a downgrade on stecher.

VAN needs cap savings, and this trade creates a wash in terms of cap, actually we are taking some on. We aren't interested in moving Gaudette - he has proven he is a capable 3C and he will have that position for a while - especially given the cheap nature of his next contract.

While Dermott generates some interest, it would have to be in a package for Stecher on its own.

In short, A modified deal could be made here, but as it stands it's a no-go.

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This

Blatantly untrue


You're too high on your players then. I think @aadoyle has a reasonable take in terms of the players assessments, and even he agrees that Gaudette is pretty much a carbon copy of Kerfoot. there's no reason for us to pay more cap for the same player. Kerfoot is the "better player" now, but in a year I would expect Gaudette to be better. Given the ages and cap hits, Gaudette is more valuable in a trade.

And Dermott is certainly not worth stecher on his own. Dermott's maximum potential is about where stecher is now. TOR would have to add slightly.

It's a close trade in value overall, but the center swap doesn't make sense for VAN
Apr. 14, 2020 at 5:03 p.m.
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actually johnsson would be a welcomed addition to the team. His cap hit is good, when he is healthy he can play on any line, and is overall a solid player who can help their pp or pk and he is a significant upgrade over most of their current wings despite being injured.


No he wouldn't be helpful for them. They have a full LW (Tkachuk, Duclair, Brown) they would have no space for Engvall and Johnsson. I think they'd prefer Engvall over Johnsson because he is cheaper and an RFA.

I don't see them trading picks for a guy with 3 years left on his contract because they will just be starting to compete when he is on the last year of his deal. Plus they want to tank and get high picks by playing their young guys.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 5:07 p.m.
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You're too high on your players then. I think @aadoyle has a reasonable take in terms of the players assessments, and even he agrees that Gaudette is pretty much a carbon copy of Kerfoot. there's no reason for us to pay more cap for the same player. Kerfoot is the "better player" now, but in a year I would expect Gaudette to be better. Given the ages and cap hits, Gaudette is more valuable in a trade.

And Dermott is certainly not worth stecher on his own. Dermott's maximum potential is about where stecher is now. TOR would have to add slightly.

It's a close trade in value overall, but the center swap doesn't make sense for VAN


No, man, you're overvaluing your guys. Kerfoot is far and away the better player than Gaudette; It's not even close. Dermott is also at least as good as Stecher right now, if not better.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 5:12 p.m.
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No, man, you're overvaluing your guys. Kerfoot is far and away the better player than Gaudette; It's not even close. Dermott is also at least as good as Stecher right now, if not better.


"far and away better" LOL - he is better, but not by much.

Dermott is drastically overvalued by leaf fans.


VAN walks. If TOR isn't willing to change the price, then no deal.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 5:12 p.m.
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Kerfoot + Dermott for Gaudette + Stecher

Who wins?
Apr. 14, 2020 at 5:14 p.m.
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"far and away better" LOL - he is better, but not by much.

Dermott is drastically overvalued by leaf fans.


VAN walks. If TOR isn't willing to change the price, then no deal.


Kerfoot is a lot better. Look at the stats. Dermott's potential also exceeds what Stecher is, considering he is as good as him now.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 5:18 p.m.
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Kerfoot is a lot better. Look at the stats. Dermott's potential also exceeds what Stecher is, considering he is as good as him now.


If Dermott doesn't improve soon he is a career top 6er, not top 4. Stecher is a 2nd pair guy.

I looked at the stats, Gaudette was on pace to have a greater point total than Kerfoot did when he was 23. Gaudette's offensive game is already better. His defensive game is not quite there yet, but he is two years behind Kerfoot. Kerfoot appears to have already leveled off, Gaudette is getting better.
Apr. 14, 2020 at 5:28 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
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Kerfoot + Dermott for Gaudette + Stecher

Who wins?


seems even. kerfoot is only 2 years older but he has been way better then gaudette, at this point hes a 4th liner, that way too much money for a guy like him. I like stecher a lot but they would be far better off just making a trade for stecher and making a separate move for someone like Mark Jankowski who is better and is way cheaper
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Apr. 14, 2020 at 5:34 p.m.
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seems even. kerfoot is only 2 years older but he has been way better then gaudette, at this point hes a 4th liner, that way too much money for a guy like him. I like stecher a lot but they would be far better off just making a trade for stecher and making a separate move for someone like Mark Jankowski who is better and is way cheaper


yeah I agree the trade was even and with kerfoot being from vancouver I saw it as a potential draw to the deal. When I implemented the trade to multiple sites people said the trade was fair others said one or the other team was being robbed. All I know is both teams get upgrades in their respected areas and both teams can save money in the end

Jankowski on the other hand could be a interesting option. Cheaper than gaudette and if he plays right will be an excellent addition to the leafs. May work on another roster with him in it as I could see the appeal there
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Need some sort of NHL player going back to NYI
 
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