Unrealistic CBJ Trade

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Quoting: bsilk18

Yeah Bruins say No Immediately.

Anderson is worth nothing right now, he is coming off of a 4 point crappy year and is worth literally nothing.
Even if Dubios is worth Debrusk, Bjork, and a 1st (which he isnt, he is owrth less), that means you are giving a 2nd and Freddy for Anderson,

THIS IS REALLLLLY BAD.

Bahaha if your GM turned down Bjork, DeBrusk and a very late first for Dubois then he should be immediately fired. Also, Josh had a bad year but hes got value. If Jarmo let the league know he was available then at least 20 teams would inquire

Apr. 16, 2020 at 6:04 p.m.

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Quoting: bsilk18

Yeah Bruins say No Immediately.

Anderson is worth nothing right now, he is coming off of a 4 point crappy year and is worth literally nothing.
Even if Dubios is worth Debrusk, Bjork, and a 1st (which he isnt, he is owrth less), that means you are giving a 2nd and Freddy for Anderson,

THIS IS REALLLLLY BAD.

Like i said the value is off but i would like the build of the team better

Apr. 16, 2020 at 6:05 p.m.

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Bahaha if your GM turned down Bjork, DeBrusk and a very late first for Dubois then he should be immediately fired.

Nope. We like our elite LW sniper, our solid top 6 potential Powerful Winger, and we will give up a late 1st, but not for that.

Apr. 16, 2020 at 6:06 p.m.

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Nope. We like our elite LW sniper, our solid top 6 potential Powerful Winger, and we will give up a late 1st, but not for that.

I think you underestimate how good Dubois is and will be

Apr. 16, 2020 at 6:09 p.m.

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Nope. We like our elite LW sniper, our solid top 6 potential Powerful Winger, and we will give up a late 1st, but not for that.

Dubois is a first line center on a bad offensive team. Plus hes what, 21? Debrusk is not ****ing even close to elite holy ****. Hes a decent second liner. Bjork is okay but has injury concerns and I would be shocked if he turned into more than a decent middle 6 option. Plus, let's not act like Frederic is some kind of top prospect. I really believe you're trolling because theres no way you actually think this.

Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:19 p.m.

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Quoting: Nathan_Horton_18

I think you underestimate how good Dubois is and will be

I don’t think he’s undervaluing PLD, I think he’s massively overvaluing his own players.

Sorry but nothing in that trade is close to the skill level and potential of PLD. The Quantity might make the trade fair but the Quality isn’t there. Columbus also needs centers. This is more of a dream post than a realistic one.

Though this bruins team is very scary looking with PLD and Anderson.

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Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:20 p.m.

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Quoting: Nathan_Horton_18

I think you underestimate how good Dubois is and will be

And you underestimate how good debrusk is and will be. The bruins are not giving up their entire middle 6 winger core for another Natural Center, especially at that value

Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:22 p.m.

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I don’t think he’s undervaluing PLD, I think he’s massively overvaluing his own players.

Sorry but nothing in that trade is close to the skill level and potential of PLD. The Quantity might make the trade fair but the Quality isn’t there. Columbus also needs centers. This is more of a dream post than a realistic one.

Though this bruins team is very scary looking with PLD and Anderson.

Im not unfortunately, right now everyone is talking about how Anderson is worth no more than a 6th roudner rn because he just has killed his stock this year.
Debrusk is constantly underrated and people are trying to say he is a middle six guy with top six potential, he is as much as top 6 guy as a Boeser, and as much an elite potential guy as Barzal or Larkin.

Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:24 p.m.

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Dubois is a first line center on a bad offensive team. Plus hes what, 21? Debrusk is not ****ing even close to elite holy ****. Hes a decent second liner. Bjork is okay but has injury concerns and I would be shocked if he turned into more than a decent middle 6 option. Plus, let's not act like Frederic is some kind of top prospect. I really believe you're trolling because theres no way you actually think this.

So yes this is the point unfortunately, everyone else wants to undervalue bruins guys.
Im just being realistic.
He is a solid second liner right now, and he is 23 and has plenty of room to grow. You are the only crazy one here, you are entitled to your opinion, but dont come on here swearing and being completely ridiculous

Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:27 p.m.

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Quoting: Ajp_18

I don’t think he’s undervaluing PLD, I think he’s massively overvaluing his own players.

Sorry but nothing in that trade is close to the skill level and potential of PLD. The Quantity might make the trade fair but the Quality isn’t there. Columbus also needs centers. This is more of a dream post than a realistic one.

Though this bruins team is very scary looking with PLD and Anderson.

That’s exactly what the post is, its a dream post because that Bruins team is very scary

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Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:29 p.m.

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Im not unfortunately, right now everyone is talking about how Anderson is worth no more than a 6th roudner rn because he just has killed his stock this year.
Debrusk is constantly underrated and people are trying to say he is a middle six guy with top six potential, he is as much as top 6 guy as a Boeser, and as much an elite potential guy as Barzal or Larkin.

Child, your homer is showing.

The only ones who say Anderson has no value are the ones who want him for nothing. If you want Anderson the price is a 2nd as Columbus has no reason to trade him for less. DeBrusk is a solid top 6 wing. He won’t be a thing more, he’s not going to be some magical elite sniper like Pasta or Laine or Matthews. He’ll score you 30 goals a year but he isn’t elite, maybe he’ll get a year of 40 with the right center or other wing.

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Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:29 p.m.

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And you underestimate how good debrusk is and will be. The bruins are not giving up their entire middle 6 winger core for another Natural Center, especially at that value

Again im just saying i like the build of the team better like this if you don’t agree then thats your opinion. I just think this team would be dominant and so fun to watch

Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:32 p.m.

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Quoting: Nathan_Horton_18

Again im just saying i like the build of the team better like this if you don’t agree then thats your opinion. I just think this team would be dominant and so fun to watch

Oh no I agree with that. I never mentioned my opinion whatsoever.
I am just saying that the values are off

Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:34 p.m.

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Oh no I agree with that. I never mentioned my opinion whatsoever.
I am just saying that the values are off

The value is just hard to gauge because it’ll never happen, just a dream post I really like Debrusk and bjork but i love the way Anderson and Dubois play.

Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:37 p.m.

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Child, your homer is showing.

The only ones who say Anderson has no value are the ones who want him for nothing. If you want Anderson the price is a 2nd as Columbus has no reason to trade him for less. DeBrusk is a solid top 6 wing. He won’t be a thing more, he’s not going to be some magical elite sniper like Pasta or Laine or Matthews. He’ll score you 30 goals a year but he isn’t elite, maybe he’ll get a year of 40 with the right center or other wing.

Nope. my best way to explain this (how i have explained things multiple times to people) is that Role =/= Skill Level.
If you have a team with OVI, Marchy, and Panarin, Panarin is going to get 3rd line minutes, but that doesnt mean he is a third line guy. He is still a top LW.
So, just because Debrusk is on the second line because the bruins have marchand, does mean he cant be a good top line LW on another team. I think a perfect comparison is Boeser, who was drafted right with him (a little later), but is on a sucky Canucks team, and he is the same top 6 guy with Elite potential, but it is more clear because of his playing time and role on the team.

So no, my "homer" is not showing, I am not biased, I am just realistic.
So based on the beautiful facts and situations I have just laid out for you, do you have a well backed up response?

Apr. 16, 2020 at 7:38 p.m.

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Quoting: Nathan_Horton_18

The value is just hard to gauge because it’ll never happen, just a dream post I really like Debrusk and bjork but i love the way Anderson and Dubois play.

Fair bro!
Again, if you loved andersons play this year thats an issue, but yeah I really like PLD also and it would be dope to have him. Debrusk, Freddy, and a 2nd is sufficient for the whole trade. Debrusk, Freddy, and a 3rd for PLD alone

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Apr. 16, 2020 at 8:02 p.m.

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Nope. my best way to explain this (how i have explained things multiple times to people) is that Role =/= Skill Level.
If you have a team with OVI, Marchy, and Panarin, Panarin is going to get 3rd line minutes, but that doesn't mean he is a third line guy. He is still a top LW.
So, just because Debrusk is on the second line because the bruins have marchand, does mean he can't be a good top line LW on another team. I think a perfect comparison is Boeser, who was drafted right with him (a little later), but is on a sucky Canucks team, and he is the same top 6 guy with Elite potential, but it is more clear because of his playing time and role on the team.

So no, my "homer" is not showing, I am not biased, I am just realistic.
So based on the beautiful facts and situations I have just laid out for you, do you have a well backed up response?

You are correct on the point about the line thing, but that's not what I meant. Here are some stats from Elite NHL snipers, at least players who I think sniper I think of them.
Ovechkin- 14 seasons of 30+ goals none under 30 tbh, his lowest was 32 in a 48 game season. Of those 14 season 8 of them were 50+ goals.
Tarasnko-had 5 seasons pus 30 and hasn't ever broken 50
Laine- 3 seasons 30+ and was 2 shy of his 4th this year.
Matthews- 4 seasons +30 and 2 of them +40
Stamkos- 6 seasons +30 goals and a +60 goal season
Tavares- 5 seasons + 30 goals

Boeser- 0 seasons +30 (solid top 6 player IMO)
DeBrusk- 0 seasons + 30, 27 being pretty close
Rantanen- 1 season +30 and a 29 season,
Connor- 3 seasons 30+ goals
Aho- 2 seasons 30+ and a 29.

From the 2015 class alone DeBrusk is 11th in NHL goals, Though I will give him credit, he has played 1 less season then a lot of those guys. I wouldn't consider him an elite sniper. Solid top 6 sniper, no doubt but not someone whos elite. He'll need a few 30+ goal seasons to get there imo.

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Apr. 16, 2020 at 8:20 p.m.

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So yes this is the point unfortunately, everyone else wants to undervalue bruins guys.
Im just being realistic.
He is a solid second liner right now, and he is 23 and has plenty of room to grow. You are the only crazy one here, you are entitled to your opinion, but dont come on here swearing and being completely ridiculous

Ok I know DeBrusk can get butter but... so? Dubois is younger and already 3x better.

Dubois would instantly be your best forward outside of your top line in terms of current skill and potential. You acting like DeBrusk is better shows that you'd be a terrible GM. Dont forget Dubois plays on a bad offensive team when you compare their points. You saying DeBrusk is better is like me saying Riley Nash is better than Bergeron. It's also not like Dubois couldnt switch to wing

Apr. 16, 2020 at 11:40 p.m.

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You are correct on the point about the line thing, but that's not what I meant. Here are some stats from Elite NHL snipers, at least players who I think sniper I think of them.
Ovechkin- 14 seasons of 30+ goals none under 30 tbh, his lowest was 32 in a 48 game season. Of those 14 season 8 of them were 50+ goals.
Tarasnko-had 5 seasons pus 30 and hasn't ever broken 50
Laine- 3 seasons 30+ and was 2 shy of his 4th this year.
Matthews- 4 seasons +30 and 2 of them +40
Stamkos- 6 seasons +30 goals and a +60 goal season
Tavares- 5 seasons + 30 goals

Boeser- 0 seasons +30 (solid top 6 player IMO)
DeBrusk- 0 seasons + 30, 27 being pretty close
Rantanen- 1 season +30 and a 29 season,
Connor- 3 seasons 30+ goals
Aho- 2 seasons 30+ and a 29.

From the 2015 class alone DeBrusk is 11th in NHL goals, Though I will give him credit, he has played 1 less season then a lot of those guys. I wouldn't consider him an elite sniper. Solid top 6 sniper, no doubt but not someone whos elite. He'll need a few 30+ goal seasons to get there imo.

As I explicitely said, he isnt elite yet, but he is a solid not 6 guy with Elite potential and people dont even want to admit that he has elite potential. That is the flaw in this guys post. I am not a homer, I dont think Debrusk is this elite LW sniper that shouldnt be traded, but as i clearly said, he has Elite potential and is still only 23. Him plus Freddy and a 2nd is more than enough for Dubios (plus think about the contract PLD is gonna want after this year, at least with debrusk, they can give him a bridge deal

Apr. 16, 2020 at 11:43 p.m.

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Ok I know DeBrusk can get butter but... so? Dubois is younger and already 3x better.

Dubois would instantly be your best forward outside of your top line in terms of current skill and potential. You acting like DeBrusk is better shows that you'd be a terrible GM. Dont forget Dubois plays on a bad offensive team when you compare their points. You saying DeBrusk is better is like me saying Riley Nash is better than Bergeron. It's also not like Dubois couldnt switch to wing

You saying that PLD is THAT much better than debrusk is like me saying Seguin is 100 times better than Bergy, we all know it aint true.
He is better, yeah, thats why he is worth debrusk, Trent Frederic (recent 1st rounder, not a bust), and a 2nd round pick. Thats a lot. PLD is a good upgrade. But, and as I have been saying and proven, PLD isnt worth debrusk, Freddy, BJORK (a solid middle six guy with top 6 potential), AND A 1st (Oh and part of that send roudner too, the other part being reserved for Andersson who is worth aobut a 6th or 5th right now)

Apr. 17, 2020 at 12:00 a.m.

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You saying that PLD is THAT much better than debrusk is like me saying Seguin is 100 times better than Bergy, we all know it aint true.
He is better, yeah, thats why he is worth debrusk, Trent Frederic (recent 1st rounder, not a bust), and a 2nd round pick. Thats a lot. PLD is a good upgrade. But, and as I have been saying and proven, PLD isnt worth debrusk, Freddy, BJORK (a solid middle six guy with top 6 potential), AND A 1st (Oh and part of that send roudner too, the other part being reserved for Andersson who is worth aobut a 6th or 5th right now)

Then good thing you arent a GM lol. In a world where the media leaks that Sweeny rejected that trade... boston fans would demand his firing on the spot.

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Apr. 17, 2020 at 12:43 a.m.

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As I explicitely said, he isnt elite yet, but he is a solid not 6 guy with Elite potential and people dont even want to admit that he has elite potential. That is the flaw in this guys post. I am not a homer, I dont think Debrusk is this elite LW sniper that shouldnt be traded, but as i clearly said, he has Elite potential and is still only 23. Him plus Freddy and a 2nd is more than enough for Dubios (plus think about the contract PLD is gonna want after this year, at least with debrusk, they can give him a bridge deal

You are 100% being a homer.

You said how stats of elite sniper, I believe I showed some of those and DeBrusk isn’t even close to being elite.

I think DeBrusk is going to be a great top 6 player. He isn’t going to be elite. The elite snipers have had 30+ goal seasons already and DeBrusk doesn’t have one of those.

If he puts up consecutive 30+ goal seasons, then yes he’d be considered elite, but he isn’t even close to the same conversation as Barzal, Aho, Connor, Marner, Meier or Rantanen right now and they aren’t even in the conversation about the best in the draft with Eichel, oh and McDavid the best player in the NHL. Just because someone if from one of the best draft classes ever doesn’t mean they’re elite.

It’s like me saying Texier is elite and he really hasn’t show that.

Apr. 17, 2020 at 1:19 a.m.

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@Ajp_18 im gonna throw a counter offer out there for PLD.
CBJ gets: Studnicka, Krejci, 1st and Bjork
BOS gets: PLD, Anderson

Breaks down
Studnicka, Krejci and 1st for PLD
Anderson for Bjork

I’m probably off. I’d rather that 1st be a 2nd but I’d still pay up for PLD. Probably a homer trade so I apologize but I believe Krejci still carries a good amount more of value than Frederic despite his contract and age. And if you wanted LHD instead of a young C, I’d replace Stud with Vaak

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