Huge L of a trade.

Dumba isn't the piece we need

Seems like a lot for the Leafs to give up, But it's probably what it would take to get Dumba to the Leafs.

I would love Pietro but I dont see it.
I'd love manson to but I wouldn't give up willy for him.
And I'd rather have dumba then ekblad or a ristolainen or someone like that.

It is alot but it is satisfying a need we havent had in our lineup since phaneuf. Phaneuf wasnt perfect by any means but the dude played pp pk and the right side. And he was constantly crushed by his partners when hes paired with kostka lol.

definitely a horrible trade for toronto

Maybe the Leafs should just develop their Dmen, in this case Liljegren. instead of trading for average Dmen. Yea Clifford brings a different element, but he isn't good especially at that price.
Johnson doesn't get that return when 24 teams are trying dump cap. Just too few buyers of average players with no cap exchanged.

You made a comment "I'd love Manson". Manson's pretty average now, but Leaf fans are so fascinated by any RHD,
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I'd take ekblad any day. Has almost as much offensive upside and is an absolute rock defensively. But him and dumba will cost a lot. I'd give willy for ekblad, but not dumba. This isn't needed though. The top 4 can be filled out with many other players, they don't need another #1 D (it would be nice, but not needed). Just some solid, defensive top 4 d, and there are many other players that fit that build that cost half as much

The Wild takes that and runs.

Fair enough.
If the cap was going up to what it was suppose to I for sure wouldn't trade willy. I'd look to sign a d guy but we'll see what the cap does or buyouts.

honestly, not that I want either gone, but I'd trade Marner before willy, as he'll get a better return and take more money off the books. That being said I do think at least one other solid top 4 can be added before next season even under this cap

Leafs fans will hate it since many think Dumba is a scrub defensively, but Dumba's problem is that he was trying to force plays in the offensive zone and his defensive game was lacking because of that. When Dumba is producing points and not forcing plays he is above average in his own zone. It was all in his head this year. He might not be perfect for the Leafs but he'd be a great addition and would add some toughness to their blue line. He is still a top pairing talent. I don't like the idea of trading Ek but if it nets us Nylander it could be worth it. I think if you remove the picks it's fair. Might even need a slight add from the Wild or downgrade Liljegren to a different piece (we need LD prospects more than RD prospects anyways).

I agree. I wouldn't want to lose either willy or marner. Even liljegren I'd keep.
I dont think their D is terrible they need 1 solid guy a right side jake Muzzin.
I'm more concerned over their bottom six. They need more forecheckers if that makes sense. Leafs have rarely if ever had star players like they do now. But their bottom 6 needs to play like a bottom 6. Pucks in deep and bang bodies. I hate how they're built with every line trying to do the same thing.
Guys like clifford and matt Martin before they dont put up points and fit the mould of what the leafs have become but at least you know they're going to play the same way every game. Guys like malgin are invisible down at the bottom because they dont do any else.

I agree with the, but I don't think that they necessarily need a Clifford or Martin. If the price is right, I'd take one, but its a team thing, and I noticed towards the end of this season that they were starting to play with some bite- they need guys like Matthews and tavares to step up and throw hits, which they actually shockingly had been at the end. Hyman is a gritty guy, kapanen was throwing hits and fighting like I had never seen before, kerfoot does play a bit dirty which I like, its not all that bad. and supposedly korshkov, who I have making it next year, plays with some bite too. I think its something that needs to be engrained in the team as opposed to overpaying one individual goon, and I think it was starting to happen. If the price is right, bring back Clifford by all means, but if not, cheap energy forwards who will do what it takes and play physical to be able to get some NHL games in will do. As for the D, I don't think Holl is a sufficient top 4 D on a contending team. In my opinion they need 2 solid RHD, which can be done.

Huge L for the leafs

Everyone seems to be overrating Manson. It’s so bizarre

Matthews is a big boy. If he made hits they could be brutal. And yeah, I’ve been saying Korshkov for a bit now because he plays with grit and can handle the puck. He also comes way cheaper than Clifford

And I started to see that game out of Matthews towards the end of the season. He's already absurdly dominant, but adding hitting to his game would just make him utterly impossible to play against- and it practically already is

Tbh I like the trade.

I think the value is there for the Wild, but given their overall lack of centers and Nylander not being a bonafide center, my guess is they decline cause they need JEEK. However, if Guerin looked at tape and talked to scouting dept. then decided Nylander was legit playing center then I'm sure he says deal.

Forsure money has to be right. I loved martin on the leafs but not at 2.5...
I would love to grab guys like tyler bertuzzi. If the leafs had another Hyman that would be nice also. Guys like that to fill out other roles. I'd love to have all skill but at the right number getting some hungry guys in the bottom six is never a bad thing. You dont need to fight but you have to hit and play hard.
Leafs seem to skate around and like to play that soft game.

big fat no to that trade

bertuzzi would cost so much to take off DET, and will command 4.5M or more on his next deal. honestly the leafs are improving on their softness. Just a few gritty guys on the bubble who will be physical to stay in the nhl would work

Totally agree.