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Homer signings and trades MTL very unrealistic

Created by: OilersNation
Initial Creation Date: Apr 29, 2020
Published: Apr 30 at 12:10 am
Team: 2020-21 Edmonton Oilers
Team Explanation
Tad optimistic with the FA signings wanting to come to Edmonton but I think they’re pretty fair value wise. Not sure on Drouins’ value completely, I’d assume I’d have to add; Lavoie? McLeod?
#20 - Seth Jarvis RW
#33 Lukas Reichel LW
#48 Michael Benning or William Villeneuve
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Berglund, Filip2$925,000
Niemeläinen, Markus3$925,000
Puljujärvi, Jesse3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Athanasiou, Andreas2$3,000,000
Benning, Matthew4$2,000,000
Bear, Ethan5$3,500,000
Lagesson, William1$700,000
Ho-Sang, Joshua1$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Haula, Erik2$3,000,000
Khudobin, Anton3$3,000,000
Sheahan, Riley1$700,000
Granlund, Mikael1$3,000,000
Dillon, Brenden3$3,000,000
Trades
EDM
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
MTL
  1. Nurse, Darnell
EDM
    ANA
    1. Neal, James
    Additional Details:
    Cbo
    EDM
      LAK
      1. Russell, Kris ($1,000,000 retained)
      2. Marody, Cooper
      EDM
      1. 2020 5th round pick (NJD)
      NJD
      1. Chiasson, Alex
      EDM
      1. Ho-Sang, Joshua [RFA Rights]
      NYI
      1. Khaira, Jujhar
      2. 2020 6th round pick (EDM)
      EDM
      1. 2020 2nd round pick (OTT)
      OTT
      1. Puljujärvi, Jesse
      EDM
      1. 2020 2nd round pick (WPG)
      WPG
      1. Benning, Matthew
      2. 2021 4th round pick (EDM)
      Buyouts
      • Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
      • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
      Retained Salary Transactions
      • Kris Russell: $1,000,000 (25%)
      • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2020
      EDM
      OTT
      WPG
      EDM
      EDM
      NJD
      EDM
      2021
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      PIT
      EDM
      2022
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      23$81,500,000$80,845,332$0$1,080,000$654,668
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      MTL
      Drouin, Jonathan
      $5,500,000
      LW
      UFA - 3
      EDM
      McDavid, Connor
      $12,500,000
      C
      UFA - 6
      Granlund, Mikael
      $3,000,000
      C, RW
      UFA
      EDM
      Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
      $6,000,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Draisaitl, Leon
      $8,500,000
      C, LW, RW
      UFA - 5
      EDM
      Yamamoto, Kailer
      $894,166
      RW, C
      RFA - 1
      EDM
      Athanasiou, Andreas
      $3,000,000
      C, LW, RW
      RFA
      Haula, Erik
      $3,000,000
      C, LW
      UFA
      EDM
      Kassian, Zack
      $3,200,000
      RW
      UFA - 4
      EDM
      Sheahan, Riley
      $700,000
      LW, C
      UFA
      EDM
      Haas, Gaëtan
      $915,000
      C
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Archibald, Josh
      $1,500,000
      RW
      UFA - 2
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      EDM
      Klefbom, Oscar
      $4,167,000
      LD
      UFA - 3
      EDM
      Bear, Ethan
      $3,500,000
      RD
      RFA
      EDM
      Koskinen, Mikko
      $4,500,000
      G
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      EDM
      Jones, Caleb
      $850,000
      LD
      RFA - 2
      EDM
      Larsson, Adam
      $4,166,666
      RD
      UFA - 1
      Khudobin, Anton
      $3,000,000
      G
      UFA
      Dillon, Brenden
      $3,000,000
      LD
      UFA
      EDM
      Bouchard, Evan
      $894,167
      RD
      RFA - 2
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      EDM
      Nygård, Joakim
      $875,000
      LW
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Lagesson, William
      $700,000
      LD
      RFA
      Ho-Sang, Joshua
      $900,000
      RW, C
      RFA

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      Apr 30 at 12:29
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      Habs decline
      Apr 30 at 12:41
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      Quoting: MMXD
      Habs decline


      Seems like a pretty good deal for the Habs. I think that they get the better player out of the deal.
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      Apr 30 at 12:47
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      Quoting: Adambuffalo
      Seems like a pretty good deal for the Habs. I think that they get the better player out of the deal.


      Habs were going really well with a healthy Drouin. He’s finally breaking out I think. They shouldn’t be too hasty
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      Apr 30 at 12:51
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      Quoting: Adambuffalo
      Seems like a pretty good deal for the Habs. I think that they get the better player out of the deal.


      Nurse terms are bad 2 years after UFA
      Apr 30 at 1:02
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      Quoting: MMXD
      Habs were going really well with a healthy Drouin. He’s finally breaking out I think. They shouldn’t be too hasty


      Quoting: GMs
      Nurse terms are bad 2 years after UFA


      I think you're over rating Drouin or underestimating Nurse. Drouin's 50 pts a year are easier to replace than a 1LD. Pretty sure Montreal's prospect pool has a lot more guys that can play LW than LD.
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      Apr 30 at 1:12
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      Quoting: Adambuffalo
      I think you're over rating Drouin or underestimating Nurse. Drouin's 50 pts a year are easier to replace than a 1LD. Pretty sure Montreal's prospect pool has a lot more guys that can play LW than LD.


      Hell no. Drouin is a 50 points player right, which is good, but is ceiling is crazy. Nurse is a #3 dman, not even close from a #1 dman. If Nurse had terms I could see it, but 2 years isn’t enough. MTL LD : Chiarot Mete Kulak Romanov Leskinen Ouellet Olofsson Alzner MTL LW : Tatar Drouin Byron Lehkonen ... Hudon Dauphin ...
      Apr 30 at 1:36
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      Quoting: GMs
      Hell no. Drouin is a 50 points player right, which is good, but is ceiling is crazy. Nurse is a #3 dman, not even close from a #1 dman. If Nurse had terms I could see it, but 2 years isn’t enough.


      He's already been in the league 6 years. At what point do you think he reaches his ceiling? Not hating on the kid, but think he is easily replaceable.
      I understand that you would want Nurse to have more term, but if you think he's a #3d then it shouldn't cost much to resign.
      Not my original post, but I'll add Neal for Alzner if it gets the deal done.
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      Apr 30 at 2:07
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      Quoting: Adambuffalo
      Seems like a pretty good deal for the Habs. I think that they get the better player out of the deal.


      Quoting: MMXD
      Habs decline


      Drouin is a 50 point player. He’s not a “breaking star”. He is what he is. Habs ROB oilers blind with this trade. I’ll take Nurse over Drouin all day every day
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      Apr 30 at 4:20
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      Quoting: Adambuffalo
      He's already been in the league 6 years. At what point do you think he reaches his ceiling? Not hating on the kid, but think he is easily replaceable.
      I understand that you would want Nurse to have more term, but if you think he's a #3d then it shouldn't cost much to resign.
      Not my original post, but I'll add Neal for Alzner if it gets the deal done.


      He hasn’t reach it, he started the year so well before Ovi destroyed him, we were seeing the real Drouin drafted 3rd OA
      Apr 30 at 4:36
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      Not even sure why you would even want Drouin I go for Tatar he is better and far more durable. Montreal undervalues him well at least here on this site they do.
      Apr 30 at 6:04
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      Montreal needs to add a significant piece to get that trade done.

      And I think you're overvaluing Ho-Sang, too. He's 24 and hasn't made the NHL yet, no way he's worth an NHL player PLUS a pick.
      Apr 30 at 8:24
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      Edited Apr 30 at 9:35
      Quoting: Adambuffalo
      Pretty sure Montreal's prospect pool has a lot more guys that can play LW than LD.

      Surprisingly, no. Montreal hasn't drafted a natural LW in the first three rounds since Artturi Lehkonen in 2013. If we take centers that could play LW into account we could add KK and Poehling that's pretty much it but realisticaly you know KK won't be pushed to the wing and Poehling doesn't project as a top line winger. On the other hand it's well known that Montreal had lots of success lately with their LD draftees so that's why I'll never understand why people are always trading our LWs for defenDers.
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      Apr 30 at 9:10
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      Edited Apr 30 at 9:16
      The value is even, but I don't see MTL doing it.

      And to those saying Nurse is the better playing in the deal go watch Drouin's highlights from 2018-19 and the start of this year. Other than a very bad stretch toward the end of 2018-19 and his injury, Drouin has been really good in MTL. He's one of MTL's only game breakers at this point.

      Edit: and I really like Nurse, I wanted the habs to offersheet him when Edmonton was in their cap crunch and got him on a cheap bridge deal a few years ago. But I wouldn't overpay for Nurse, especially with how many LD prospects are on the way for MTL.
      Apr 30 at 9:13
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      Quoting: Adambuffalo
      I think you're over rating Drouin or underestimating Nurse. Drouin's 50 pts a year are easier to replace than a 1LD. Pretty sure Montreal's prospect pool has a lot more guys that can play LW than LD.


      Habs have Romanov, Struble, Norlinder, Harris, Fairbrother etc.

      At LW they have .... nobody. Literally no prospects who are natural LW's.

      You lose credibility on your thoughts on what MTL should do when you say stuff like this.
      Apr 30 at 10:21
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      I like the MTL deal, much more realistic than many other ACGMs on here.

      The main issue I noticed is you might not have left enough cap space to re-sign RNH and Yamamoto next season.
      Apr 30 at 12:38
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      Quoting: LumberJacques
      I like the MTL deal, much more realistic than many other ACGMs on here.

      The main issue I noticed is you might not have left enough cap space to re-sign RNH and Yamamoto next season.

      That’s built around Larsson’s, Granlund’s, the ’s buyout expiring and Sekera’s buyout lowering. I’d assume Bouchard would be ready for 3/4 D role at that point.
      Apr 30 at 12:52
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      Quoting: CD282
      Montreal needs to add a significant piece to get that trade done.

      And I think you're overvaluing Ho-Sang, too. He's 24 and hasn't made the NHL yet, no way he's worth an NHL player PLUS a pick.

      Holland significantly lowered the value with that contract, I think it’s a pretty fair price and a deal that somewhat makes sense for both sides. With Ho-sang, I’d assume that no one would actually want to take Khaira’s contract so I slightly added.
      Apr 30 at 12:53
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      Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
      Habs have Romanov, Struble, Norlinder, Harris, Fairbrother etc.

      At LW they have .... nobody. Literally no prospects who are natural LW's.

      You lose credibility on your thoughts on what MTL should do when you say stuff like this.


      I think Perfetti would be an ideal pick, and looking at most of the teams ahead of them, he’ll likely be there.
      Apr 30 at 3:18
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      Quoting: OilersNation
      Holland significantly lowered the value with that contract, I think it’s a pretty fair price and a deal that somewhat makes sense for both sides.

      I don't see an issue with the contract in this context. Drouin gets $5.5M for 3 years then UFA, Nurse gets $5.6M for 2 years then UFA. It's not that different... and Nurse is clearly the more valuable player. This isn't a close trade at all really.

      Quoting: OilersNation
      With Ho-sang, I’d assume that no one would actually want to take Khaira’s contract so I slightly added.

      Boston wanted Khaira at the deadline, they offered Heinen for him.
      Apr 30 at 6:08
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      Quoting: CD282
      I don't see an issue with the contract in this context. Drouin gets $5.5M for 3 years then UFA, Nurse gets $5.6M for 2 years then UFA. It's not that different... and Nurse is clearly the more valuable player. This isn't a close trade at all really.


      Boston wanted Khaira at the deadline, they offered Heinen for him.

      Heinen? What the heck was Holland doing?
      Apr 30 at 8:45
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      Quoting: OilersNation
      Heinen? What the heck was Holland doing?


      He couldn't fit Heinen's cap hit.
      May 1 at 2:51
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      That Drouin Nurse trade is very interesting, could be a win for both sides
       
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