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Created by: OldNYIfan
Team: 2020-21 Columbus Blue Jackets
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 30, 2020
Published: May 1, 2020
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An esteemed colleague made this kinda off-the-cuff suggestion; don't know how much thought went into it, but it sounds at least superficially meritorious.

Suppose Taylor Hall wants more than any team is willing to pay -- $9 million. We bet that there are teams at the bottom of the salary table that would be willing to absorb his cap hit, even for several years, if it means acquiring future assets in return for facilitating such an acquisition, much like the Robin Lehner transfer through Toronto to Las Vegas this year.

Solution: Team A signs Hall for two or three years at $9 million. Team A then trades Hall to Team B for a first-round draft pick and additional considerations in exchange for retaining half (two-year contract) or one-third (three-year contract) of Hall's salary -- $9 million.

This would almost certainly have to involve teams in opposite Conferences, because what team would want to facilitate moving Hall to a direct competitor?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$7,500,000
2$2,125,000
1$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$9,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Hall, Retention
1$3,000,000
Trades
1.
CBJ
  1. 2020 1st round pick (CGY)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (CGY)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
2021 third becomes a second if Calgary reaches the Conference finals.
2022 third becomes a second if Calgary wins the Stanley Cup in either year.
CGY
  1. Hall, Taylor
Additional Details:
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2.
CBJ
  1. Spacek, Michael [RFA Rights]
WPG
  1. Murray, Ryan
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$65,835,000$0$1,700,000$15,665,000
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Nyquist, Gustav
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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Dubois, Pierre-Luc
$7,500,000$7,500,000
C
UFA - 2
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Atkinson, Cam
$5,875,000$5,875,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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Jenner, Boone
$3,750,000$3,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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Wennberg, Alexander
$2,250,000$2,250,000
C
UFA - 1
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Texier, Alexandre
$897,500$897,500
LW, C, RW
RFA - 1
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Bjorkstrand, Oliver
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Foligno, Nick
$1,375,000$1,375,000
LW, C, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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Nash, Riley
$2,750,000$2,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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Bemström, Emil
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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Robinson, Eric
$975,000$975,000
LW
UFA - 2
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Anderson, Josh
$2,125,000$2,125,000
RW, LW
UFA - 7
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Gerbe, Nathan
$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Werenski, Zachary
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
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Jones, Seth
$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Korpisalo, Joonas
$2,800,000$2,800,000
G
UFA - 2
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Gavrikov, Vladislav
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
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Savard, David
$1,062,500$1,062,500
RD
UFA - 1
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Merzlikins, Elvis
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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Nutivaara, Markus
$2,700,000$2,700,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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Harrington, Scott
$1,633,333$1,633,333
LD
UFA - 2
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Peeke, Andrew
$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 1
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Kukan, Dean
$1,650,000$1,650,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Hall, Retention
$3,000,000$3,000,000
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Dubinsky, Brandon
$5,850,000$5,850,000
C, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1

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May 1, 2020 at 7:26 p.m.
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Foudy is playing top 9 NHL minutes next season. IMO even top 6 minutes
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.. and no free agent ever signs with CBJ again
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May 1, 2020 at 7:28 p.m.
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.. and no free agent ever signs with CBJ again


The assumption is that this is the destination Hall actually wants. I would have thought that would have been obvious -- so obvious, I didn't think I had to mention it in the Team Explanation. My apologies.
May 1, 2020 at 7:29 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Foudy is playing top 9 NHL minutes next season. IMO even top 6 minutes
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Great! I didn't like having 8 defensemen and 13 forwards.
May 1, 2020 at 7:58 p.m.
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Great. Columbus can't afford to do this
May 1, 2020 at 8:13 p.m.
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Edited May 1, 2020 at 9:34 p.m.
This might sound arrogant, but am I the 'esteemed colleague'? I had suggested this in a thread a day or two ago so I was just curious. Either way, what do you think of the idea? I like it, obviously, but one snag that I can think of is that with the loss of revenue, owners may not be so keen on paying a player to not play for them, even if they recoup assets in the form of draft picks.
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May 1, 2020 at 8:53 p.m.
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Great. Columbus can't afford to do this


Jarmo loves draft picks and he picks very well lately. He would jump on the opportunity to buy at worst case scenario a 1st and two 3rds for $3M!!!
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May 1, 2020 at 8:53 p.m.
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Jarmo loves draft picks and he picks very well lately. He would jump on the opportunity to buy worst case scenario a 1st and two 3rds for $3M!!!


I mean if they do this no free agent will ever sign with jackets again so they mind as well stop
May 1, 2020 at 8:55 p.m.
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I mean if they do this no free agent will ever sign with jackets again so they mind as well stop


This would be a brokered, three way deal. Hall would actually know about it in advance, he would not be blindsided by being moved in the second transaction.
It would not deter future deals in the least. Everyone in the league would know it was prebrokered
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May 1, 2020 at 9:19 p.m.
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Jarmo loves draft picks and he picks very well lately. He would jump on the opportunity to buy at worst case scenario a 1st and two 3rds for $3M!!!


Jarmo might jump at that but Priest wouldn't. This isn't a franchise that has millions laying around to buy draft picks.
May 1, 2020 at 9:37 p.m.
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I’m pretty sure the NHL has a rule in place to prevent this from happening... what I’m reading is Hall wants to go to Calgary, but they can’t afford him so he signs with Columbus and is traded to Calgary with retention.... I’m pretty sure that’s illegal....
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May 1, 2020 at 9:49 p.m.
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The assumption is that this is the destination Hall actually wants. I would have thought that would have been obvious -- so obvious, I didn't think I had to mention it in the Team Explanation. My apologies.


if that's the destination he wants, why wouldn't he just sign with Calgary? why would he make his new team give up picks too?
May 1, 2020 at 10:23 p.m.
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if that's the destination he wants, why wouldn't he just sign with Calgary? why would he make his new team give up picks too?


Do you even bother reading the Team Explanation?!? The assumption, well-founded or not, is that Calgary doesn't have $9 million to pay him.
May 1, 2020 at 10:25 p.m.
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This might sound arrogant, but am I the 'esteemed colleague'? I had suggested this in a thread a day or two ago so I was just curious. Either way, what do you think of the idea? I like it, obviously, but one snag that I can think of is that with the loss of revenue, owners may not be so keen on paying a player to not play for them, even if they recoup assets in the form of draft picks.


I was trying to keep you out of this so that only I would suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous comments -- many of which, as you can see, come from a failure to read the Team Explanation.
May 1, 2020 at 10:26 p.m.
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I mean if they do this no free agent will ever sign with jackets again so they mind as well stop


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May 1, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.
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I’m pretty sure the NHL has a rule in place to prevent this from happening... what I’m reading is Hall wants to go to Calgary, but they can’t afford him so he signs with Columbus and is traded to Calgary with retention.... I’m pretty sure that’s illegal....


Why? Isn't that what happened with Lehner? For which Toronto got a fifth-round draft pick?
May 1, 2020 at 10:29 p.m.
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Jarmo loves draft picks and he picks very well lately. He would jump on the opportunity to buy at worst case scenario a 1st and two 3rds for $3M!!!


We thought so . . . two teams at the bottom of the salary table -- Los Angeles and Colorado -- would seem to be excellent candidates for this stratagem, but as noted in the Team Explanation, we thought it unlikely that Western Conference teams would be interested in making Calgary better.
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May 1, 2020 at 10:38 p.m.
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I was trying to keep you out of this so that only I would suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous comments -- many of which, as you can see, come from a failure to read the Team Explanation.


Yeah, when I was trying to explain it the other day there seemed to be some confusion. It seems to be more of the same here. I'm not sure why the idea is so hard to grasp.
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May 2, 2020 at 12:27 a.m.
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Why? Isn't that what happened with Lehner? For which Toronto got a fifth-round draft pick?


Not really. Lehner was traded at the deadline. Toronto just retained him him for the pick. Vegas did the same thing with Brassard and Pittsburgh a few years ago. What your saying is having a player sign with a team and then get traded to another team within a few days, not sure that’s legal.
May 2, 2020 at 1:09 p.m.
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Not really. Lehner was traded at the deadline. Toronto just retained him him for the pick. Vegas did the same thing with Brassard and Pittsburgh a few years ago. What your saying is having a player sign with a team and then get traded to another team within a few days, not sure that’s legal.


Why should there be a difference in the treatment of a player a team has just signed and a player who's already on the roster?

Suppose someone signs free agent Ben Hutton to a three-year contract and then, God forbid, Roman Josi breaks his leg in training camp. Why shouldn't Hutton's new team be allowed to trade him to Nashville?
May 2, 2020 at 1:20 p.m.
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Why should there be a difference in the treatment of a player a team has just signed and a player who's already on the roster?

Suppose someone signs free agent Ben Hutton to a three-year contract and then, God forbid, Roman Josi breaks his leg in training camp. Why shouldn't Hutton's new team be allowed to trade him to Nashville?


It’s all about time frame and intent.... if Columbus signs Hall and it looks like their intent is to keep him and someone blows them away with a trade offer sure, if they sign him and trade him, with retention on the brand new contract, it looks like they are conspiring with someone else to circumnavigate the cap.

It would also ruin the reputation of the GM to trade someone so quickly after signing with them, making FAs not want to sign with them unless its intended and the player knows what’s happening... thus is cap circumvention and illegal.
May 2, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.
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It’s all about time frame and intent.... if Columbus signs Hall and it looks like their intent is to keep him and someone blows them away with a trade offer sure, if they sign him and trade him, with retention on the brand new contract, it looks like they are conspiring with someone else to circumnavigate the cap.

It would also ruin the reputation of the GM to trade someone so quickly after signing with them, making FAs not want to sign with them unless its intended and the player knows what’s happening... thus is cap circumvention and illegal.


I'm sorry that you want to fixate on the mechanics of this concept rather than its effect on YOUR team.
May 2, 2020 at 1:54 p.m.
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I'm sorry that you want to fixate on the mechanics of this concept rather than its effect on YOUR team.

Well, given that the mechanics dictate whether or not we'd be having to pay a disgruntled Hall outrageous amounts of money instead of getting picks, that's kind of a valid subject.
May 2, 2020 at 2:00 p.m.
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Well, given that the mechanics dictate whether or not we'd be having to pay a disgruntled Hall outrageous amounts of money instead of getting picks, that's kind of a valid subject.


Why would he be disgruntled when this is the result he wants? And why do you say "instead of" when it's "in addition to"?
May 2, 2020 at 2:14 p.m.
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Why would he be disgruntled when this is the result he wants? And why do you say "instead of" when it's "in addition to"?

Because when the NHL invalidates the trade for being blatant cap circumvention, we end up with Hall on the team he didn't want to be on and no draft picks.
 
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