Like I said, oilers want kassian on that first line with mcdavid. They’ll bring in a LW. Bear is a rookie D already playing top minutes. Kap is a middle 6 winger. That doesn’t equal bear. Not even close

Uh okay just because someone would be playing with mcdavid doesn’t triple there value doesn’t work that way lmao

Kapanen is a mid-6 winger with all the tools to be used in every situation and be effective player and would still continue to grow and that equals to a similarly young top-4 two-way defenseman capable of playing solid minutes who would only grow his game.

Leafs fans are out to lunch with Kap. He’s probably the most controversial player on this site now lol. They think he’s some first line winger capable of getting 70 points if his minutes weren’t “limited”. Meanwhile he’s just a good middle 6 winger

Decent top-4 D. Someone like Severson, Weegar (maybe florida adds a little), Murphy, Roy+, Cernak, Carlo (valuewise, BOS wont do it), Myers.. guys like that.

We don't overvalue him. We just actually watch him play. He even plays the PK.

The only reason he's on the 3rd line is because Marner and Nylander are ahead of him on the right side. Name one other team that has that much talent on the right wing...

Bear is playing on the top pairing because the Oilers don't have a legit top pairing RHD. If he was on the Blues he would be on the 3rd pairing on the right side would that mean he isn't worth that much (cause that's the logic you're using with Kapanen).



I'd say the value difference between Bear and Kapanen is no more than a 3rd round pick and Liljegren is definitely worth more than that. Plus the Leafs have a ton of wing depth (they can't even play Bracco) so I don't think Puljujarvi has much value for them.

Kapanen and Johnsson are always undervalued by other teams. I'd honestly just keep them unless we can get a good return for them.

Bear isn’t a top 4 D, this year he was top pairing as a rookie and did excellent in that role. I don’t think you’re understanding that. Do GM’s make mistakes? Absolutely they do. Is it possible Holland trades bear for Kap? Sure. But leafs are fleecing the oilers. Bear is worth a lot more than Kap, you’re underrating bear and overeating Kap

Brown was the cost of $12.5 million and 3 years of Zaitsev..... which is steep.

But does Kappy get you Bear? I gotta say no. The value is there, but when you look at the Oilers long term on the right side - the guy is a fixture. Kapanen's don't grow in trees, but Bear's you have to mine for. Just a little harder to find.

I am not overvaling Kappy, but not gonna undersell him here either.

18M in cap relief. If Marleau at 6.25M is a 1st than that's... 3 1sts. Okay I'd take that.

Define a good return. If Bear isn't one, something's wrong in your evaluation skills.

He's a good return but not if we have to pay Liljegren too...

Kapanen + 1st for Bear isn't a good return.

Yep, that's true. Adding Liljegren seems overboard from my perspective as well.

Bear is a top-4 D. Just because Leafs D core on right side stink just like the Leafs one, doesnt make Bear a top pairing D the same way it doesnt make Holl a top pairing D when he plays those minutes well. Not comparing the two, just saying. At worst, Id do Kap for Bear straight up. And Im not underrating Bear here..

The difference is, bear is a good top pairing RHD where as Kap isn’t a good top line winger. Kap even was played on the left side this year with Tavares so you can’t even say he gets “buried” on the third line. He gets ice time with elite talent. When nylander was unsigned last year, who played with Matthews? Kap Did. He’s not worth a rookie D who excelled in his position. That’s like saying Kap is worth Marino and in that case Pitt laughs at that offer.

Did I say that? No.

All you see is a 3rd line player. He would be on almost any top 6 in the league if not in Toronto. Somethkng about Marner and Nylander🤷‍♂️

Lol it’s actually mind blowing how much they overvalue their players

Did you look at Kapanen's production when he was playing with Matthews? He was on 60+ point pace.

Bear's corsi isn't even 50% so it's hard to say he excelled. He was decent in a top 4 role which is very good for a rookie.

Look at how bear did in his role though. He excelled. Something holl didn’t. Bear is similar to Marino, both are rookie RHDs who had excellent years and are worth way more than Kap. Keep living in your fantasy land.

I'd take Marino over Bear any day...

I feel bad for you. If some leafs fans were telling me Kap = Marino I’d lose my mind. It’s frustrating hearing them say Kap = Bear. Bear is excellent. He’ll be a fixture on that D for years

Edmonton has no interest in trading away a great young right shot dman away. They can sign a winger in free agency

Bear isn't as good as Marino... don't fool yourself.

Kapanen definitely doesn't get Marino.

I’m not arguing whose better between the two, I’m saying they are similar players. Kap isn’t getting you either. A realistic target for Kap could be a guy like MacKenzie Weeger

They’re similar and I’m a pens fan.

Im not living in my fantasy land. Im not saying Kap is worth Pesce or Parayko or whatever the **** others might, just saying that you should not have Bear in same conversation as those people. You are living in fantasy land where Bear is top pairing D. He isnt. He is a top-4 D with value of top-4 D. He is not a top pairing one until he proves it on yearly basis. He might stink next year and play 3rd pairing role behind Larsson and Bouchard. Would you be saying the same thing?