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Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
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May 6, 2020 at 3:50 p.m.
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Ah, you sure got us. Good one, man. That's a real rib tickler right there.
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May 6, 2020 at 3:58 p.m.
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“Guentzel plays with crosby, so his value isn’t high”
May 6, 2020 at 4:20 p.m.
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Nope. We just want fair value for our 94 point 22 year old superstar, that's pretty much all.
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May 6, 2020 at 4:20 p.m.
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
“Guentzel plays with crosby, so his value isn’t high”

no leafs fan has ever said that. Guentzel is very good, on the Nylander tier of wingers. He might even be a bit better
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May 6, 2020 at 4:22 p.m.
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no leafs fan has ever said that. Guentzel is very good, on the Nylander tier of wingers. He might even be a bit better.


Thats the typical statement made about Guentzel on this site. He cant do anything without crosby or malkin. Hes only scoring because of the center he plays with
May 6, 2020 at 4:28 p.m.
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Thats the typical statement made about Guentzel on this site. He cant do anything without crosby or malkin. Hes only scoring because of the center he plays with


it was a while ago, but I don't know many people who say that now. I mean obviously his numbers are inflated a tad due to playing with those players, but so are the numbers of all complimentary stars that need to play with the best players. Not a diss against guentzel either- Nylander is a complementary star as well, in that he's do fine on his own, but to play at a stars level he needs to play with stars
May 6, 2020 at 4:36 p.m.
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What is this in response to? Not giving up Marner for C level prospects and a late 1st or 2 seconds? Not giving Kapanen for a bottom pairing D and a 4th?
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May 6, 2020 at 4:44 p.m.
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Quoting: leafs101
it was a while ago, but I don't know many people who say that now. I mean obviously his numbers are inflated a tad due to playing with those players, but so are the numbers of all complimentary stars that need to play with the best players. Not a diss against guentzel either- Nylander is a complementary star as well, in that he's do fine on his own, but to play at a stars level he needs to play with stars


Dude Guentzel is better than Marner.
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May 6, 2020 at 4:46 p.m.
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Dude Guentzel is better than Marner.


dude nope. Marner has better production playing with worse players for most, if not all of his career. Also a strong penalty killer
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May 6, 2020 at 5:14 p.m.
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Quoting: leafs101
dude nope. Marner has better production playing with worse players for most, if not all of his career. Also a strong penalty killer


Guentzel is not as good defensively as Marner but he is better at driving the play. He generates more shots & offensive zone possession. Plus he scores way more goals & was scoring at a 90 point pace too!
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May 6, 2020 at 5:15 p.m.
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
That's the typical statement made about Guentzel on this site. "He can't do anything without Crosby or Malkin. He's only scoring because of the center he plays with"


There's a difference between "on this site" and "by Leafs fans." Try not to tar all idiots with the same brush.
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May 6, 2020 at 5:19 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Guentzel is not as good defensively as Marner but he is better at driving the play. He generates more shots & offensive zone possession. Plus he scores way more goals & was scoring at a 90 point pace too!


agree to disagree I don't have the energy to get into another capfriendly player debate today lol
May 6, 2020 at 6:12 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Dude Guentzel is better than Marner.


Marner is WAY better than Guenzel imo
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May 6, 2020 at 8:04 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Dude Guentzel is better than Marner.


Quoting: leafs101
dude nope. Marner has better production playing with worse players for most, if not all of his career. Also a strong penalty killer


Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Guentzel is not as good defensively as Marner but he is better at driving the play. He generates more shots & offensive zone possession. Plus he scores way more goals & was scoring at a 90 point pace too!


Although @MitchMarnerElite is his username, he recognizes, as do I, that Guentzel is the more valuable winger.
I take Guentzel 100/100.
Especially considering I can have 2 Guentzel for 1 Marner and an ELC.
May 6, 2020 at 9:30 p.m.
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Although @MitchMarnerElite is his username, he recognizes, as do I, that Guentzel is the more valuable winger.
I take Guentzel 100/100.
Especially considering I can have 2 Guentzel for 1 Marner and an ELC.


man if you think that because of his username he likes Marner and values him properly, you'd be gravely mistaken. I'm taking Marner, but you're opinion is your opinion
May 6, 2020 at 10:39 p.m.
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Marner is WAY better than Guenzel imo


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man if you think that because of his username he likes Marner and values him properly, you'd be gravely mistaken. I'm taking Marner, but you're opinion is your opinion


Well Guentzel is arguably the best playoff performer in the league amongst active players.
May 7, 2020 at 9:41 a.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Well Guentzel is arguably the best playoff performer in the league amongst active players.


Logan Couture, Brad Marchand
May 7, 2020 at 10:06 a.m.
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Well Guentzel is arguably the best playoff performer in the league amongst active players.

1 goal and 0 assists in 4 games played in last years playoffs
May 7, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.
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Logan Couture, Brad Marchand


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1 goal and 0 assists in 4 games played in last years playoffs


Guentzel is like 7th all time in playoff goals per game.
May 7, 2020 at 11:40 a.m.
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Guentzel is like 7th all time in playoff goals per game.


I know that someone was talking about this is posts before this one but when you play alongside Crosby you're going to get more points/goals than you would normally. At least thats just my opinion, but I can't argue that Guentzel isn't good because he is.
May 7, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
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I know that someone was talking about this is posts before this one but when you play alongside Crosby you're going to get more points/goals than you would normally. At least thats just my opinion, but I can't argue that Guentzel isn't good because he is.


But Jake has what it takes to score 40 goals every season. You can’t say the same about Crosby’s other wingers.
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May 7, 2020 at 11:44 a.m.
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But Jake has what it takes to score 40 goals every season. You can’t say the same about Crosby’s other wingers.


I agree with that
May 7, 2020 at 12:20 p.m.
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Logan Couture, Brad Marchand


Marchand-1 SC
Couture-0 SC
they may be good in the playoffs, but cups are king.
 
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