With how their contracts look like, Id rather see Marner moved than Nylander. 6.9 for PPG player is better than 10.9 for 1.1-1.2 PPG player with similar styles.

Seems like alot to give up by Colorado and they are taking on alot of salary, which they will need to sign coming RFA's and probably Andersson after next year.

I completely agree. If TML sign Pietrangelo then Marner is clearly the obvious candidate to be traded imo. BUT, I could totally see Dubas insisting on keeping Marner over Nylander. He is the better player after all.

That's ridiculous man come now

You mean the package for Nylander? What do you think would be reasonable to get him?

Dude that's massive overpay by Colorado, And why would Colorado want Andersen over Grubs? Personally i'd rather have Grubs over Andersen any day.

You're emptying the cupboard for one guy who's had 1 above average season, and making it hard on yourself to sign next years FAs and having to overpay Andersen, which the leaf fans are aware of which is why they are all trying to trade him right now

Big overpayment by the Avs. Grubauer is cheaper and if Andersen is better, it's not by a lot. No need to make a trade like that.

And if this is the package for a 2RW, it's not worth trading for it

Massive overpay from Colorado and if you keep Anderson along with Nylanders salary you are losing Landeskog because you'll have to pay Makar and eventually Mackinnon again.

I think Grubauer and Jost for Andersen is pretty fair. Timmins, Kaut, 1st and 2nd for Nylander is close to fair. Maybe remove the 2nd

considering their salaries i think 1 for 1 goalie swap is fair. avs shouldn't even have to add jost.

Why would jost and grubauer for Anderson be fair? Grubauer is better than andersen the last 2 seasons.. and if the nylander trade is fair, I still wouldnt do it, I'd rather keep timmins and kaut

I agree that Grubauer is cheaper and nearly as good. This was a small compromise to make it work for Toronto and enable Colorado to get Nylander.

Nylander is more than your usual 2nd line forward. He's a 60-75pt forward which makes him a 1st line forward on most teams, and he's in his prime signed to a <$7m deal with term.

Nylander has two 60 point seasons and is on pace for 71 this season, which is more than "1 above average season".

I would take Grubauer over Andersen too, but I figure that the difference between them is minor. Swapping them would mainly be done as a cap measure to make the trade work.

The trade might be a slight overpayment by Colorado (maybe remove the 2nd as csick said), but whatever the case Colorado are in a position to contend now and have numerous quality futures that they at some point need to start consolidating to improve their chances of winning. Note that i'm not necessarily saying that I definitely would do this trade, as it is a lot of quality pieces to give up, but it is certainly worth exploring imo. Getting a 1st line forward like Nylander without giving up Newhook or Byram would be amazing.

For your reference, below is a link to another AGM I just put together showing Colorado's perspective in this Nylander trade:

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1726770

Colorado should have no problems resigning Makar and Landeskog even if they add Nylander, as I've shown in this other AGM roster: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1726770

Obviously problems will arise in 2023 with Mackinnon and Byram needing raises, but that's something you tackle then. 3 years is a long time in hockey. But in theory, shifting one or two of Donskoi ($3.9m, UFA), Kadri ($4.5m, UFA in 2022), and Burakovsky ($5m?) should be enough to make room for Mackinnon and Byram. By then Newhook and Bowers should already be 2C and 3C respectively so we can absorb those losses internally. Having to make tough decisions as a contender up against the cap is a good problem to have, because it means that you've amassed a roster brimming with talent, so I don't see it as a massive problem going forward.

you forgot resigning Anderson, who will want a raise from 5 million.

its a massive overpay and a bad deal for colorado. the salary was only one reason.

I agree that it's a bit of an overpay (debatable how much), and I would hesitate to pull the trigger on it even if it is very tempting to acquire Nylander without giving up Newhook or Byram.

What do you think Andersen will be asking for on his next contract?

8 mill

This trade turns the avalanche into the maple leafs by squeezing them up against the cap, except nobody is willing to play in denver on a cheap 700k contract to round out their bottom 6...

You add nylander who is having his best season with some very average seasons behind him while playing on a very high offense low defense team first line with auston Matthew's and first pp... take into account that he would be on the 2nd line and most likely second pp in colorado, and the second pp in colorado gets about 30 seconds per pp..

Then realized you have to resign andersen who has no ties to denver besides the 1 year he'll play there and after I think 4 seasons of carrying the leafs on his back will want to get paid like bobrovsky probably around 8 mill.. so after next season its francouz and werner/annunen in MacKinnons prime playoff years. And that's if you can afford landeskog with the makar contract

Your take basically hands the leafs an amazing chance to run for the cup

When it comes to the avalanche less is better

I agree that we need to be careful with the cap, and that less can be better. However, at some stage we're going to need to use our excess capspace and consolidate our deep prospect pool.

Regarding resigning Makar/Landeskog, that can be done, as I've shown in the description of the parallel AGM showing this trade from Colorado's perspective linked below (text also quoted below for reference): https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/325964&post_id=1406866

Raises for Makar (+$7m) and Landeskog (+$2m) at a combined $9.5m can be covered by the moves below. These moves total ~$12m which is $2.5m MORE than what is needed for Makar/Landeskog, so there is some margin to be more generous on roster additions if needed.
- Compher ($3.5m) ---> Newhook (ELC) = Saves $2.5m
- Calvert ($2.85m) ----> O'Connor (900k) = Saves $2m
- Bellemare ($1.8m) ---> $1m 4th liner UFA = Saves $800k.
- Ian Cole ($4.25m) ---> $1.5m #6D in UFA =Saves $2.75m
- Johnson ($6m) -----> $2m #5D in UFA = saves $4m
- Note that there's also the chance that some of the 4th line/3rd pairing roles could be filled cheaply by ELC's rather than UFA's (eg. Kovalenko/Ranta/Beaucage/Zhuravlyov/Helleson/etc).

If Andersen wants a raise, then the "extra" $2.5m I mentioned above can be thrown his way. I don't see why he wouldn't want to resign in Colorado if he's the No.1 on a cup favourite and is offered $7.5m+.

As for handing Toronto a cup run, I don't think we should worry about what happens to them as long as it simultaneously improves OUR chances of having a cup run - which is what a Nylander trade would do. He's a legitimate 1st line winger, and even if he doesn't always get PP1 time that would be offset by the fact that he'd be playing on the 2nd line against secondary defense units.

Problem is man that you never factor in resigning grubauer or you sign him for some low number far below his worth.. it cant be done unless you move out contracts which is getting more and more difficult.. why consolidate prospects when they are the cheap solutions to inject into your lineup.. like kaut or timmins

Looking over all the changes you've mentioned the team gets worse and some moves seem impossible like the EJ one for example... nylander isnt better than MacKinnon, landeskog, or rantanen therefore hes a 2nd liner on the avalanche.... this doesnt make the team better. At best it makes the team a bit strong for 1 year and give the leafs around 4 years of upgrades

What do you think Grubauer gets on his next contract in terms of AAV and term?

Keep in mind that he has been inconsistent, and at times even losing the starter role to Francouz. We also have Annunen in the system making good progress.

He only lost the starter role while injured.. the average is 5x6mill.. hes also very consistent in the playoffs

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

Looked at both Threads, it's an overpayment by Colardo take out the 2nd and as TO I still do this if I'm locking up Pietrangelo. I like everything about it from both sides Colorado's forward group gets real scary for awhile with out sacrificing any core player and Colorado you have aquired a core player