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Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 11, 2020
Published: May 11, 2020
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I saw this suggestion on Reddit so I’m just going to put this out there for discussion.

Honestly, Marner has not played like himself at all this season & it’s been really frustrating to watch him. I don’t think anyone questions his ability as his work ethic seems highly controversial. He just doesn’t seem to be skating hard, winning battles & getting involved in the play. Perhaps he re-aggravated his ankle sprain & is deadline with a wrist injury, but the magic has been gone from him.

The rumour was that the Leafs front office & coaching staff is sick of Marner’s antics but there are not any teams that want to acquire him. So if they want to get rid of him, they have to hope there is a CBO or they expose him to Seattle.
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5$7,000,000
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    May 11, 2020 at 1:50 p.m.
    #51
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    I love Marner more than any other player in the league but we have to realize that because of his absurd contract negotiation the Leafs end up losing out on really good players such as Brown, Johnsson, Dermott, Gardiner & Hainsey which ultimately hurts their chances of winning.


    So your solution is to buy him out or give him away and then use that money on a FA signing? You do realize most teams come to regret their FA signings down the stretch of the contracts 1. Because they overpaid due to FA and 2. Those players are generally at the tail end of Prime years - Marner hasn't even entered his prime years at this point.
    May 11, 2020 at 1:51 p.m.
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    I don’t see Hyman taking that much see him at around 3.5 to 3.7 on a long term deal
    May 11, 2020 at 1:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
    I haven't been on this site for months and it hasn't changed at all. This robot is still trying to make human friends by saying the same thing every day. What a joke.


    This wasn’t my idea. I saw it on Reddit so I decided to share it.
    May 11, 2020 at 1:57 p.m.
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    Quoting: Boomer125
    So your solution is to buy him out or give him away and then use that money on a FA signing? You do realize most teams come to regret their FA signings down the stretch of the contracts 1. Because they overpaid due to FA and 2. Those players are generally at the tail end of Prime years - Marner hasn't even entered his prime years at this point.


    It’s not my original idea of buying him out or exposing him to Seattle. I just saw it on Reddit & decided to share here. But if this is the scenario (won’t happen), I would target good defensive forwards like Brown & good stay at home defensemen like Weegar.
    May 11, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    It’s not my original idea of buying him out or exposing him to Seattle. I just saw it on Reddit & decided to share here. But if this is the scenario (won’t happen), I would target good defensive forwards like Brown & good stay at home defensemen like Weegar.


    Except the Leafs are built to move the puck not smother it - a stay at home dump it out D man will do absolutely nothing well in TO's system
    May 11, 2020 at 2:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: Boomer125
    Except the Leafs are built to move the puck not smother it - a stay at home dump it out D man will do absolutely nothing well in TO's system


    But Weegar can move the puck too! Hes big, physical & a good skater.
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    May 11, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite


    A contender for what?
    Playoffs... sure
    The Cup... not even close
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    May 11, 2020 at 2:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    A contender for what?
    Playoffs... sure
    The Cup... not even close


    Contender for worst contract signings of the summer.
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    May 11, 2020 at 4:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    This wasn’t my idea. I saw it on Reddit so I decided to share it.


    Did all your computations tell you that? What a hilarious joke.
    May 11, 2020 at 5:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    I was reading so many Reddit threads yesterday evening in which the users stated that Marner is worthless & that they’d be willing to cap dump him.

    I love Marner more than any other player in the league but we have to realize that because of his absurd contract negotiation Leafs ended up losing out on really good players such as Brown, Johnsson, Dermott, Gardiner & Hainsey which ultimately hurts their chances of winning.


    Not really. They would have lost those guys regardless. Youre talking like it's this huge amount but its only 1.5 million
    May 11, 2020 at 5:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    A contender for what?
    Playoffs... sure
    The Cup... not even close


    That's a nice compliment coming from a buffalo fan
    May 11, 2020 at 9:04 p.m.
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    That's a nice compliment coming from a buffalo fan


    Great, the troll is back

    Do u disagree?
    U really think this is a Cup contender?
    Lolololololol
    May 12, 2020 at 10:01 a.m.
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    Great, the troll is back

    Do u disagree?
    U really think this is a Cup contender?
    Lolololololol


    It doesnt take much to be a cup contender. Hockey is an extremely random sport and most of the time the best team doesnt even win.
    May 12, 2020 at 10:54 a.m.
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    Quoting: Jack_
    Not really. They would have lost those guys regardless. Youre talking like it's this huge amount but its only 1.5 million


    Well I can’t argue that but Marner needs to play better this season.
    May 12, 2020 at 10:55 a.m.
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    A contender for what?
    Playoffs... sure
    The Cup... not even close


    Well, this team has a great 2 Forward line’s, a shutdown line, a shutdown pairing in Muzzin-Holl & good defensemen in Rielly-Weegar. So why are they not a contender? It’s a complete team.
    May 12, 2020 at 12:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Well I can’t argue that but Marner needs to play better this season.


    Sure but that doesnt mean he should be bought out or left exposed in the expansion draft. He wasnt put in the position to maximize hes skillset and that isnt his fault.
    May 12, 2020 at 12:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: Jack_
    Sure but that doesnt mean he should be bought out or left exposed in the expansion draft. He wasnt put in the position to maximize hes skillset and that isnt his fault.


    Well you are right but still, no excuses for a guy making 11 million. If he keeps playing like this the Leafs have no chance to win the cup.
    May 12, 2020 at 2:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    Sure Marner got overpaid but that doesn't mean he's worth nothing. He definitely has value as a top 10 winger in the league.

    I'm not opposed to trading him but giving him up for free would be a terrible mistake.


    Quoting: Jack_
    Sure but he still brings positive value to the team based off of his on ice abilities even if he is overpaid a bit. Star players have such a big impact on the game that's its actually hard to overpay them. Personally I think marner is worth 11 or 12 million but because his comparables have signed for around 9.5 hes overpaid but realistically it's the other players that are underpaid.


    Leafs analyst Matt Cane believes Marner is worth 6.6 million dollars on a 6 years.
    May 12, 2020 at 3:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Leafs analyst Matt Cane believes Marner is worth 6.6 million dollars on a 6 years.


    Where did he get that number? Makes no sense at all. He's worth at least 9M+. Just not 11M.
    May 12, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
    Giving 11 mil to Marner after just 1 elite season when the vast majority of first liner wingers made a few mil less was a dumb idea. Not trying to move Marner


    all those wingers took bridge deals though, while Marner got term. Most of the other young RFA forwards from last year that took 2-4 year deals will be making bank as well in a few years. Hard to judge the Marner deal right now, it could turn it to be bad or if Marner gets his game back together it could look like a bargain in 3-4 years. Remember when people thought the Draisaitl deal was bad? Deals like this can't really be judged accurately until more is shown from the player.
    May 12, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    Where did he get that number? Makes no sense at all. He's worth at least 9M+. Just not 11M.


    He has a model that records each players’ performance & bases it off that. He had Nylander ranked at 6.9 million before he signed & Marner at 6.6 million before he signed.
    May 12, 2020 at 5:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Well, this team has a great 2 Forward line’s, a shutdown line, a shutdown pairing in Muzzin-Holl & good defensemen in Rielly-Weegar. So why are they not a contender? It’s a complete team.


    It’s has 2 “good” scoring lines (not great)
    Your “shut down” line is “ok”
    You’re also wildly overrating Muzzin-Holl
    Holl is 28, with 81 career NHL games
    That’s another “ok” pair, not close to “shutdown”

    Basically,
    you’re overrating everything here with “homer” eyes here

    And u still have Anderson in net
    who’s unreliable now, let alone 2yrs from now

    Sure, you’re a little better defensively
    But your scoring isn’t at prolific
    And the goaltending will decline

    This team isn’t even better than what u have now
    And u can obviously see you’re just a playoff team that gets knocked out in round 1 each year
    May 12, 2020 at 5:13 p.m.
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    It doesnt take much to be a cup contender. Hockey is an extremely random sport and most of the time the best team doesnt even win.


    Lol... sure dude
    But this team is worse in scoring
    So it lost the ability to “outscore” teams to the Cup
    And they can’t even do that now

    And the defense is a bit better i guess,
    but this isn’t a team winning games 2-1 or 1-0 either

    Plus you’ve still got an unreliable aging goalie who frankly isn’t even good enough for a Cup run now, let alone in 2years

    Sure, “anything can happen”
    But is that really your best argument for this team’s ultimate success?

    Be real
    May 12, 2020 at 6:57 p.m.
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    Lol... sure dude
    But this team is worse in scoring
    So it lost the ability to “outscore” teams to the Cup
    And they can’t even do that now

    And the defense is a bit better i guess,
    but this isn’t a team winning games 2-1 or 1-0 either

    Plus you’ve still got an unreliable aging goalie who frankly isn’t even good enough for a Cup run now, let alone in 2years

    Sure, “anything can happen”
    But is that really your best argument for this team’s ultimate success?

    Be real


    I'm not saying this team is better at all. The guy who made this is an absolute clown. In reality if they wernt to make any moves they would still be a cup contender.
    May 12, 2020 at 7:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    Lol... sure dude
    But this team is worse in scoring
    So it lost the ability to “outscore” teams to the Cup
    And they can’t even do that now

    And the defense is a bit better i guess,
    but this isn’t a team winning games 2-1 or 1-0 either

    Plus you’ve still got an unreliable aging goalie who frankly isn’t even good enough for a Cup run now, let alone in 2years

    Sure, “anything can happen”
    But is that really your best argument for this team’s ultimate success?

    Be real


    Ever heard of Tampa?
     
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