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Team: 2020-21 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: May 15, 2020
Published: May 15, 2020
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OTT gets 3 picks in the top 9. There's a link at the bottom of the description that's a bit dated...I wish it were more up to date, but it isn't. I bring that up because trades after 2013 are even more expensive to move up than this post is suggesting.

Pick #9 (38.5 points) Pick #18 and #33 (24 and 12.75...37) Shane Pinto would be worth more than 1.5, but again this data is dated. For example. AZ just last year traded #14 and #45 (29.8 +7.2 = 37) for #11 (~33) . 4 points is another 2nd rounder...Shane Pinto...

https://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up

Anyway. OTT Drafts Byfield/Stutzel/Askarov

CHI drafts Seth Jarvis, Tyler Kleven, Jan Bednar,
Free Agent Signings
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3$925,000
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1$3,000,000
2$4,000,000
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2$3,250,000
1$2,000,000
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Mitchell, Ian
3$925,000
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CHI
  1. Pinto, Shane [Reserve List]
  2. 2020 1st round pick (NYI)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. 2020 1st round pick (CHI)
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OTT gets 3 picks in the top 9
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20$81,500,000$71,444,431$1,090,244$4,200,000$10,055,569
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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$2,625,000$2,625,000
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
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$3,333,225$3,333,225
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Mitchell, Ian
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
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$6,875,000$6,875,000
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May 15, 2020 at 9:43 a.m.
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I think Chicago keeps the pick and selects Askarov
May 15, 2020 at 9:43 a.m.
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Why would you trade Askarov?
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May 15, 2020 at 9:51 a.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
I think Chicago keeps the pick and selects Askarov


Quoting: keep_ups12
Why would you trade Askarov?


I wouldn't be upset if that's how things turned out. I'm just not a fan of drafting a goalie in the 1st round. There are A.) FAR too many goalie busts in the 1st and B.) If you look at the NHL today (I'm including tandem goalie systems) There are more 2nd rounder starting goalies in the NHL than 3rd rounder starting goalies...AND...there are more 3rd rounder starting goalies than 1st rounders. 2nd > 3rd > 1st. So starting goalies are VERY easily found in later rounds. ALL goalies just need time to develop. That really can't be said for centerman. Heck there are teams out there with 1st round centerman as their #3C! Ironically the Hawks have (3)...#3OA.
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May 15, 2020 at 10:12 a.m.
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I wouldn't be upset if that's how things turned out. I'm just not a fan of drafting a goalie in the 1st round. There are A.) FAR too many goalie busts in the 1st and B.) If you look at the NHL today (I'm including tandem goalie systems) There are more 2nd rounder starting goalies in the NHL than 3rd rounder starting goalies...AND...there are more 3rd rounder starting goalies than 1st rounders. 2nd > 3rd > 1st. So starting goalies are VERY easily found in later rounds. ALL goalies just need time to develop. That really can't be said for centerman. Heck there are teams out there with 1st round centerman as their #3C! Ironically the Hawks have (3)...#3OA.


The last 1st round goalie busts were Jack Campbell and Mark Visentin in 2011. That being said, Campbell put up starter numbers for LA last year. They both played in the OHL their draft year which is not a men's league. Askarov has put up exceptional numbers in Russia's 2nd Best Men's League (VHL). I understand your concern but I'm failing to see your point.
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May 15, 2020 at 10:34 a.m.
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Quoting: Club_de_Hockey_le_Canadien
The last 1st round goalie busts were Jack Campbell and Mark Visentin in 2011. That being said, Campbell put up starter numbers for LA last year. They both played in the OHL their draft year which is not a men's league. Askarov has put up exceptional numbers in Russia's 2nd Best Men's League (VHL). I understand your concern but I'm failing to see your point.


It's too early to tell on Spencer Knight and I think he'll buck the trend to be perfectly honest, but here's the list of 1st round picks since Carey Price. There's only 1 goalie in that entire bunch that I'd say...yeah he's worth a 1st round pick.

Jake Oettinger, Ilya Samsanov, Malcom Subban, Vasi, Jack Campbell, Mark Visentin, Chet Pickard, Thomas McCollum, Riku Helenius, Leland Irving, Varlomov, Jonathan Bernier....I mean Bernie was pretty good last year on a terrible team, but still...probably not worth a 1st round pick.

BUT you're also ignoring the other part which I think is more important. Starting goalies can be found in ANY round. the last goalie to win the Vezina AND the Cup...Tim Thomas drafted in the 9th round. Starting goalies need time to develop and don't need to be drafted in the 1st round. The last 1st round pick to win a cup...08/09 PIT Penguins.
May 15, 2020 at 10:37 a.m.
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It's too early to tell on Spencer Knight and I think he'll buck the trend to be perfectly honest, but here's the list of 1st round picks since Carey Price. There's only 1 goalie in that entire bunch that I'd say...yeah he's worth a 1st round pick.

Jake Oettinger, Ilya Samsanov, Malcom Subban, Vasi, Jack Campbell, Mark Visentin, Chet Pickard, Thomas McCollum, Riku Helenius, Leland Irving, Varlomov, Jonathan Bernier....I mean Bernie was pretty good last year on a terrible team, but still...probably not worth a 1st round pick.


and Askarov is far better than anyone on that list at 18...
May 15, 2020 at 10:39 a.m.
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and Askarov is far better than anyone on that list at 18...


Might be true. As stated originally. I wouldn't be upset if they did draft Askarov. It's just not good asset management to take a goalie with a top 10 pick. Starting goalies can be found in ANY round.

***EDIT*** it might also not be true too... He's got 1 KHL game under his belt. He's looking promising for sure, but neither one of us has a crystal ball.
May 15, 2020 at 10:45 a.m.
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Might be true. As stated originally. I wouldn't be upset if they did draft Askarov. It's just not good asset management to take a goalie with a top 10 pick. Starting goalies can be found in ANY round.


I don't see it as bad asset management at all. It's not like you guys are a starving franchise in need of a star forward or something... successful in recent years, good young players at other positions (Dach, Boqvist, etc.). Why not take a chance on a potentially franchise altering goaltender? Starting goalies can be found in late rounds sure, but none as good as Askarov. He could be the best goalie in the league one day in the not so distant future, I don't think you're grasping how good he is / projects to be. This isn't just any other goalie in the 1st round we're talking about here.
May 15, 2020 at 10:46 a.m.
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I think it's a good deal for the hawks if all the top forewards are off the board. If all thats left is Askarov and Lundell then I would make this move. If one of the better forwards (Raymond, Holtz, Rossi, Perfetti, Stutzle) falls I would have to take him instead I agree, don't want to draft a goalie in the 1st round, especially top 10. I don't care how good he is. I still have faith Lankinin can become something after watching him play lights out for Finland at the WC's as well as be pretty good in the AHL.
May 15, 2020 at 10:53 a.m.
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I think thats a bit too steep for Ottawa but i wouldnt hang up the phone. Id try to include White or Brown instead of Pinto
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May 15, 2020 at 11:01 a.m.
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I think it's a good deal for the hawks if all the top forewards are off the board. If all thats left is Askarov and Lundell then I would make this move. If one of the better forwards (Raymond, Holtz, Rossi, Perfetti, Stutzle) falls I would have to take him instead I agree, don't want to draft a goalie in the 1st round, especially top 10. I don't care how good he is. I still have faith Lankinin can become something after watching him play lights out for Finland at the WC's as well as be pretty good in the AHL.


Lankinen, Delia, Tompkins...they're all 25 years old. I 100% think we need to draft at least 1 goalie in this draft. We shouldn't just rely on Gravel being our only long term solution. Bednar/Daws would be who I'd look at developing.
May 15, 2020 at 11:05 a.m.
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I don't see it as bad asset management at all. It's not like you guys are a starving franchise in need of a star forward or something... successful in recent years, good young players at other positions (Dach, Boqvist, etc.). Why not take a chance on a potentially franchise altering goaltender? Starting goalies can be found in late rounds sure, but none as good as Askarov. He could be the best goalie in the league one day in the not so distant future, I don't think you're grasping how good he is / projects to be. This isn't just any other goalie in the 1st round we're talking about here.


Again, nothing against Askarov or his play. He looks solid. If the Hawks drafted him I wouldn't be upset. I do think there are WAY too many 3rd and 2nd rounder starting goalies in the NHL...and 1st round goalie busts in the NHL...to use a top 10 pick on a goalie. I keep piling up evidence piece after piece and the response is...this guy's different. OK, maybe true. Maybe not. we don't have a crystal ball.

***EDIT*** I know this opinion is NOT in the majority. But if Askarov is such a lock @ #9 that everyone says I'm crazy....then maybe I need another 2nd rounder? If he's THAT good...I should be asking for more. I know that's not what @csick wants though.
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May 15, 2020 at 11:18 a.m.
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I’m down with acquiring Pinto. You can definitely make the trade work without swapping first round picks.
May 15, 2020 at 11:19 a.m.
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Again, nothing against Askarov or his play. He looks solid. If the Hawks drafted him I wouldn't be upset. I do think there are WAY too many 3rd and 2nd rounder starting goalies in the NHL...and 1st round goalie busts in the NHL...to use a top 10 pick on a goalie. I keep piling up evidence piece after piece and the response is...this guy's different. OK, maybe true. Maybe not. we don't have a crystal ball.

***EDIT*** I know this opinion is NOT in the majority. But if Askarov is such a lock @ #9 that everyone says I'm crazy....then maybe I need another 2nd rounder? If he's THAT good...I should be asking for more. I know that's not what @csick wants though.


fair enough, sir. I just think he's almost guaranteed to be a stud lol, love the kid.
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May 15, 2020 at 11:19 a.m.
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I’m down with acquiring Pinto. You can definitely make the trade work without swapping first round picks.


What would OTT get then if there are no 1sts involved?
May 15, 2020 at 11:22 a.m.
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What would OTT get then if there are no 1sts involved?


hes really solid he was a 32nd pick last year, his value went up after the season he had at ND. I think he can be a 2C at the nhl level and hes a 200ft player
May 15, 2020 at 11:23 a.m.
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Lankinen, Delia, Tompkins...they're all 25 years old. I 100% think we need to draft at least 1 goalie in this draft. We shouldn't just rely on Gravel being our only long term solution. Bednar/Daws would be who I'd look at developing.


Dont forget Nalimov who is also 25. 25 is still young for a goalie. Crawford didn't play till he was 26. That worked out ok. Lankinen and Delia and both close if not already ready for the NHL at least as backups.
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May 15, 2020 at 11:25 a.m.
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hes really solid he was a 32nd pick last year, his value went up after the season he had at ND. I think he can be a 2C at the nhl level and hes a 200ft player


I like Pinto, but there's zero chance we're talking about a #9 overall for Pinto. OTT's about to draft (2) forwards somewhere pick 1-3...Pinto only has 1 career. The SMART move for his career is play 3 years and UND and choose your destination vs being locked up until your 25, able to be sent to Belleville.
May 15, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.
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I like Pinto, but there's zero chance we're talking about a #9 overall for Pinto. OTT's about to draft (2) forwards somewhere pick 1-3...Pinto only has 1 career. The SMART move for his career is play 3 years and UND and choose your destination.


no no one said trading 9 for Pinto. If Ottawa wants to pick hometown Jack Quinn at 9, i could see them offering a package to move up from 21 to 9 including a player and 1 or 2 2nd rounders
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May 15, 2020 at 11:33 a.m.
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I agree with trading out of the 9th pick if all the top forwards and D are off the board. I'm not against drafting Askarov either, but it's easier to get a starting goalie in rounds 2-3 than it is to find even a middle six forward in those rounds. On their draft day, all of the goalies taken in the first round were can't miss exceptions to the "rule" about drafting a goalie in the first round. There also is the risk Askarov doesn't sign/come over for several years.
It doesn't make sense for a GM, particularly Stan given that his seat just got hotter, to risk the 9th overall pick on a goalie who likely won't help the team for 4-7 years-especially when statistically speaking he'd be better off taking one in the 2nd and one in the 3rd.
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May 15, 2020 at 11:37 a.m.
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I agree with trading out of the 9th pick if all the top forwards and D are off the board. I'm not against drafting Askarov either, but it's easier to get a starting goalie in rounds 2-3 than it is to find even a middle six forward in those rounds. On their draft day, all of the goalies taken in the first round were can't miss exceptions to the "rule" about drafting a goalie in the first round. There also is the risk Askarov doesn't sign/come over for several years.
It doesn't make sense for a GM, particularly Stan given that his seat just got hotter, to risk the 9th overall pick on a goalie who likely won't help the team for 4-7 years-especially when statistically speaking he'd be better off taking one in the 2nd and one in the 3rd.


Let's explore that KHL transition too! Ilya Sorokin drafted in the 3rd round 2014...again another 3rd rounder and 6 years later it looks like he's going to get his 1st NHL game. Igor Shesterkin drafted in the 4th round of 2014...again 4th rounder and 5 years later he got his chance. He did play a few games last year.
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May 15, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.
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Let's explore that KHL transition too! Ilya Sorokin drafted in the 3rd round 2014...again another 3rd rounder and 6 years later it looks like he's going to get his 1st NHL game. Igor Shesterkin drafted in the 4th round of 2014...again 4th rounder and 5 years later he got his chance. He did play a few games last year.


There's also Nalimov, whom the Blackhawks drafted (googling now..) in the 6th round in 2014. Had a .911 save % in KHL last season. Signed and came over March of this year, and I don't know if he even got in a game before the shut down. There's definitely a non-zero chance 7 years from now, one will be typing "....911 save % in KHL last season, just signed his ELC and is making his North American debut.." in reference to Askarov.

I get Askarov is better at age 18, he could be here in 2 seasons and be awesome. It's not a given. In terms of likelihood of drafting NHL regular players, the Blackhawks are better off going skater in 1st round and then double down on goalies in 2nd & 3rd if they're worried about their goalies in pipeline.
 
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