Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
I’m not asking for JJ to play like an elite top pairing D, all I want is for him to be a serviceable third pairing guy, which he isn’t. Your first argument is incorrect, during the games Dumoulin has been healthy, JJ was very sheltered on the third pair matching up against other team’s fourth lines, yet he still had a scoring chance differential of 20% (20% he’s on the ice for a scoring chance for, 80% against). Also, the forwards he shared the ice with were McCann, Blueger, Tanev & ZAR, all excellent defensive forwards. Now explain to me: Why aren’t any of the other players on the team conceding shots & scoring chances at the high rate JJ is? Schultz has not been good by any means, but his scoring chance differential is 48%? Why is it that much better than JJ? Why are the majority of other third pairing defenders around the league conceding shot attempts & chances at far lower rates than JJ has while he’s played on the third pair? How come JJ’s results are so much worse compared to the team average & league average? The truth is, there is only one common denominator here & that is JJ himself. Since he can’t exit the zone & can’t defend the front of the net, the opposing teams get all kinds of opportunities from around the crease. He’s a bad defenseman who shouldn’t be playing over Riikola.
Schultz is by far their worse defense man who is the one who is actually sheltered you understand that right?
The guy gets 56.4 % of his starts in the Ozone and is a -17.
JJ got the majority of his starts in the D zone and was a +6 in the 3rd pairing role.
You tell me, who is the team winning with on the ice?
No one is arguing that JJ is a good defense man. He's just not nearly as bad as you claim him to be. He's frankly your average 3rd pair guy.
Believe me there are much worse and there has been much worse here. Remember Hunwick, they wouldn't even allow him to lace up he was so bad.
It's hard to really sit here and say RIikola is actually a better defense man. He is way more sheltered with 56.6% of his starts in the Ozone. That's the most of any LD on the team. And a head of JJ by far. So if you want to talk about what LD is sheltered It's Riikola.
So I'm not sure how you get JJ is sheltered. When it comes to defensive starts he's 1st on the team on the LD. Followed by Dumo, and then MP.
Every time the team is down on that end of the ice, he's the guy who is always over the boards. And guess what. The puck is going in the net more the other way.....as a consistent trend when he's in the 3rd pairing.
I don't know what more you can ask for. Some useless stat that doesn't mean anything isn't really telling the story of what is happening on the ice.
And while JJ isn't great, the truth is they could have far worse out there. As other teams do.
The ideal situation for every team in the league is to put their 1st line out against the other teams 2nd or 3rd pair for a reason.
I will tell you right now, the last guy I want over the boards to take a defensive end start is Schultz. Period. He can not defend. at all.
If you think Schultz is somehow a better defense man than JJ in his own end, they you have not been watching. Schultz doesn't give up more shots because he gets his starts in the Ozone where he is hidden.
It's easier to have better advanced stats when that is where you start. But come tell me why the puck is always going the other way when he's on the ice. Why has it done that for years.
My god they had to hide the guy like crazy during their cup runs. There are even stories about it all over the internet, how Sully was giving him 17 second shifts to get him off the damn ice. Nothing has changed there.