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first time trade - what do we think

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obviously this assumes no Pietro.... im trying to hunt for a close replacement for him. the trade value might be off here, but judge the basis idea and give critique on how to balance it if the basis idea works
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May 19, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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I don't think DeAngelo is worth Thomas.
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May 19, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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By doing this trade, you get the offense Petro brought. Now you're just missing the defense.

I personally think that if Petro ends up walking, STL should target Savard from CBJ. They're pretty deep defensively, so Savard might be available in exchange to a C + good prospect.
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May 19, 2020 at 4:41 p.m.
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I don't think DeAngelo is worth Thomas.


makes sense. deangelo is overvalued overall in my opinion, but i would have to say similar for Thomas (not to the same extent).

if the basis overall works, what would balance it?
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May 19, 2020 at 4:45 p.m.
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Having Thomas on an elc makes him more valuable
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May 19, 2020 at 4:45 p.m.
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By doing this trade, you get the offense Petro brought. Now you're just missing the defense.

I personally think that if Petro ends up walking, STL should target Savard from CBJ. They're pretty deep defensively, so Savard might be available in exchange to a C + good prospect.


do you think they would want a long term solution though instead? savard makes sense, but we already know how sign and trades turn out here. i'd be afraid to extend him for too much, and even then no extension is confirmed.

blues are pretty strong on the left side for prospects, but the right is a bit thin
May 19, 2020 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Wqrrior
makes sense. deangelo is overvalued overall in my opinion, but i would have to say similar for Thomas (not to the same extent).

if the basis overall works, what would balance it?


DeAngelo to STL makes sense but I doubt there's a chance that a trade involves Thomas, he's almost untouchable at this point. If STL wasn't a top team I would have said a 1st round pick
May 19, 2020 at 4:47 p.m.
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Having Thomas on an elc makes him more valuable


Yeah, other than that I think the value is close.

Seems like an "each team would keep their own" trade, though.
May 19, 2020 at 4:47 p.m.
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Yeah, other than that I think the value is close.

Seems like an "each team would keep their own" trade, though.


What? Rangers take this and run fast.
May 19, 2020 at 4:50 p.m.
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What? Rangers take this and run fast.


Based on contract.
DeAneglo is putting up more points. Thomas wouldnt get more icetime behind Zibanejad, Strome and possibly Chytil.
May 19, 2020 at 4:52 p.m.
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What? Rangers take this and run fast.


i definitely agree that it's tilted their way. purpose of this thread was
1) to see if the basis worked
2) to balance the trade if the basis worked... in which case my question would be, what balances this?

I'd probably be thinking Howden from NYR, STL sending MacEachern.


Another big thing here is... the rangers are likely already looking to move their excess parts on the right side to fill their largest need at center. There's no way those three RHD on the rangers will be content if one of them gets third pair minutes.
It fills both teams needs almost perfectly. Just need to get the value right
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May 19, 2020 at 4:53 p.m.
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Based on contract.
DeAneglo is putting up more points. Thomas wouldnt get more icetime behind Zibanejad, Strome and possibly Chytil.


Thomas is also 20 years old... lol

He is significantly better than Chytil, and his ceiling is far better than Strome. I would guess he jumps straight into second line center.
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May 19, 2020 at 4:53 p.m.
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Based on contract.
DeAneglo is putting up more points. Thomas wouldnt get more icetime behind Zibanejad, Strome and possibly Chytil.


Your right side is already full. Fox and Trouba should be getting top 4 minutes. Thomas is still young.
Even though you have a lot of wingers you still take this deal fast.
May 19, 2020 at 4:58 p.m.
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do you think they would want a long term solution though instead? savard makes sense, but we already know how sign and trades turn out here. i'd be afraid to extend him for too much, and even then no extension is confirmed.

blues are pretty strong on the left side for prospects, but the right is a bit thin


Blues did it with Faulk. Who's to say they wouldn't do it with Savard as well?

For the prospect part...I think they'll be drafting Barron or Grans at their turn if they're available. Would make sense as they're both potential RHDs...
May 19, 2020 at 4:59 p.m.
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i definitely agree that it's tilted their way. purpose of this thread was
1) to see if the basis worked
2) to balance the trade if the basis worked... in which case my question would be, what balances this?

I'd probably be thinking Howden from NYR, STL sending MacEachern.



Another big thing here is... the rangers are likely already looking to move their excess parts on the right side to fill their largest need at center. There's no way those three RHD on the rangers will be content if one of them gets third pair minutes.
It fills both teams needs almost perfectly. Just need to get the value right


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Thomas is also 20 years old... lol

He is significantly better than Chytil, and his ceiling is far better than Strome. I would guess he jumps straight into second line center.


Wait, so I'm off, but that even's up the trade???

Strome is staying with Panarin.
May 19, 2020 at 5:07 p.m.
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Wait, so I'm off, but that even's up the trade???

Strome is staying with Panarin.


howden loses value by the year. he appears to be a 3rd line center at best... a 30-40 point guy. Feel free to counter with what you think evens it.

Thomas plays RW too, but to enhance his maturity in the league you might want to try him with Panarin. Shift Strome to RW just to see how it works. If not, Kreider - Zibanejad - Thomas would be a strong top line

I think you are a bit low on what Thomas can be, and a bit high on what DeAngelo will bring in the future.
Thomas could very well be a top line center. I doubt DeAngelo has a repeat of this year, though he probably will get 40-50 points year over year. Nevermind the age difference
May 19, 2020 at 5:13 p.m.
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howden loses value by the year. he appears to be a 3rd line center at best... a 30-40 point guy. Feel free to counter with what you think evens it.

Thomas plays RW too, but to enhance his maturity in the league you might want to try him with Panarin. Shift Strome to RW just to see how it works. If not, Kreider - Zibanejad - Thomas would be a strong top line

I think you are a bit low on what Thomas can be, and a bit high on what DeAngelo will bring in the future.
Thomas could very well be a top line center. I doubt DeAngelo has a repeat of this year, though he probably will get 40-50 points year over year. Nevermind the age difference


Oh no, that deal is better than the first, for the Rangers.
There difference is the contract - so STL adds a contract that can play a bottom 6 role/bottom pair, and the Rangers can add a guy like Howden
May 19, 2020 at 5:17 p.m.
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Oh no, that deal is better than the first, for the Rangers.
There difference is the contract - so STL adds a contract that can play a bottom 6 role/bottom pair, and the Rangers can add a guy like Howden


do you really think i am offering howden for thomas?

I am narrowing in on DeAngelo AND Howden for Thomas and a lower blues prospect.

Thomas >>> DeAngelo AND he meets your largest need.
May 19, 2020 at 5:23 p.m.
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Blues did it with Faulk. Who's to say they wouldn't do it with Savard as well?

For the prospect part...I think they'll be drafting Barron or Grans at their turn if they're available. Would make sense as they're both potential RHDs...


Please no, Grans is fine but Barron was so bad when I saw him this year, not in my top-90. I feel like the Blues do a good job of not reaching for position anyways.
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May 19, 2020 at 5:24 p.m.
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Please no, Grans is fine but Barron was so bad when I saw him this year, not in my top-90. I feel like the Blues do a good job of not reaching for position anyways.


what's your idea of this base trade? how much do the rangers have to add to make it even value
May 19, 2020 at 5:26 p.m.
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100% was expecting Nylander for Parayko here lol
May 19, 2020 at 5:29 p.m.
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what's your idea of this base trade? how much do the rangers have to add to make it even value


I just don’t think the Blues would trade Thomas for anything unless it’s incredible. I don’t think he gets enough credit for how good his season was, especially the last 50 games where he was like 7th in 5v5 points/60. Plus he’s on elc for another season.
May 19, 2020 at 5:33 p.m.
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Quoting: Wqrrior
do you really think i am offering howden for thomas?
No. You offered Thomas + MacEachern for DeAngelo + Howden

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I am narrowing in on DeAngelo AND Howden for Thomas and a lower blues prospect.

Thomas >>> DeAngelo AND he meets your largest need.

I understand, you are trying to even it out - but your adds are irrelevant.

And DeAngelo is still outproducing Thomas, even when he's a third pair D-man, The different isnt that big.
May 19, 2020 at 5:36 p.m.
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No. You offered Thomas + MacEachern for DeAngelo + Howden

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I am narrowing in on DeAngelo AND Howden for Thomas and a lower blues prospect.

Thomas >>> DeAngelo AND he meets your largest need.

I understand, you are trying to even it out - but your adds are irrelevant.

And DeAngelo is still outproducing Thomas, even when he's a third pair D-man, The different isnt that big.


i think you are missing the point... deangelo is four years older than thomas and thus has four years more time to develop. by the time thomas is 24, he will be outscoring deangelo
May 19, 2020 at 6:18 p.m.
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Late to the party, I have a team I haven't posted with Thomas for Dumba, but this is basically the same thing. It's an interesting idea, but I'd imagine New York adds.

I think St Louis goes for a cheaper RD or sign Vatanen in the event Pietrangelo walks
May 19, 2020 at 6:36 p.m.
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Absolutely, positively, thunderously hell no. Thomas is waaaaaay more valuable, on multiple levels. There's no balancing this pure lunacy. Just throw it in the trash bin, melt that sucker down to a bullet and shoot it into the sun.

So pardon me, but respectfully no way please.
 
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