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Steen Retires and Crazy Depth

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Team: 2020-21 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: May 19, 2020
Published: May 19, 2020
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Post-Dispatch Blues columnist Tom Timmerman speculates that Steen is more likely to retire at the end of the year than be bought out. Hopefully Faulk rebounds and is taken by Seattle. If not, we throw some incentive their way.
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May 19, 2020 at 11:19 p.m.
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Hate to burst your bubble but SEA would have so many options to choose from this team that they absolutely won't be taking Faulk.
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May 19, 2020 at 11:21 p.m.
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Rather have blais in a 3rd line role than labanc, also don't sign Dunn right into UFA
May 19, 2020 at 11:29 p.m.
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Only the Sharks accept. Pietrangelo already turned down 8Mx8. He gets 10Mx7 on the open market.

Why would Steen retire?

You should buyout Faulk.
May 20, 2020 at 12:12 a.m.
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If Steen retires would there be a recapture penalty??

AAV 5.75 20-21 salary 3.5 That's 2.25 difference...
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May 20, 2020 at 1:47 a.m.
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Barbeshev is younger,Cheaper,tougher And has more upside.Why should the blues do this?
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May 20, 2020 at 2:22 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Only the Sharks accept. Pietrangelo already turned down 8Mx8. He gets 10Mx7 on the open market.

Why would Steen retire?

You should buyout Faulk.


Name a team that has that kind of cap space to sign Pietrangelo and will still be competitive. Added challenge..... not Ottawa, LA or Jersey, because if he wants another Cup.... it won't be with them.

COVID = FLAT CAP = NO FREE MONEY = NO FAT RAISES.
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May 20, 2020 at 7:15 a.m.
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I can give you 5,750,000 reasons why Steen isn't going to retire.
May 20, 2020 at 7:17 a.m.
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Name a team that has that kind of cap space to sign Pietrangelo and will still be competitive. Added challenge..... not Ottawa, LA or Jersey, because if he wants another Cup.... it won't be with them.

COVID = FLAT CAP = NO FREE MONEY = NO FAT RAISES.


this assumes no teams make any moves. Plenty of teams make room. Hell look what NSH did this summer to get MD.
May 20, 2020 at 7:38 a.m.
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Only the Sharks accept. Pietrangelo already turned down 8Mx8. He gets 10Mx7 on the open market.

Why would Steen retire?

You should buyout Faulk.


I really like Johansson, but Buffalo would make this trade before Armstrong woke up!
Bozak would be at least the 3rd Center if not 2nd, and Blais is a decent LW prospect, who if he did not break into the Sabre's line up he would be a big contributor in Rochester.
Let's make a deal.
May 20, 2020 at 8:26 a.m.
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Hate to burst your bubble but SEA would have so many options to choose from this team that they absolutely won't be taking Faulk.


We are going to see a whole series of trades by the 31 existing teams sending a bad contract to Seattle. Yea sure. The term of Faulk makes him looks untradable
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May 20, 2020 at 8:32 a.m.
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Only the Sharks accept. Pietrangelo already turned down 8Mx8. He gets 10Mx7 on the open market.

Why would Steen retire?

You should buyout Faulk.


Sure would like know the teams that are competing for Pietrangelo services at 10m. Teams that are "desirable" to Pietrangelo would have to dismantle their team in order free that 10m cap.
If Pietrangelo turned down 8m X 8, I'm doubting he gets more from a good team and really not much more from a weak team.
Doughty and Karlsson are examples teams regretting their signings already for signing Dman approaching 30 on long term deals.
May 20, 2020 at 10:58 a.m.
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If Steen retires would there be a recapture penalty??

AAV 5.75 20-21 salary 3.5 That's 2.25 difference...


Recapture penalties only exist on the now-illegal back diving contracts that Luongo, Weber, Keith, etc have. Steen would just lose the 3.5 million if he retired (which he won't)
May 20, 2020 at 12:13 p.m.
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Sure would like know the teams that are competing for Pietrangelo services at 10m. Teams that are "desirable" to Pietrangelo would have to dismantle their team in order free that 10m cap.
If Pietrangelo turned down 8m X 8, I'm doubting he gets more from a good team and really not much more from a weak team.
Doughty and Karlsson are examples teams regretting their signings already for signing Dman approaching 30 on long term deals.


Pietrangelo already turned down a 8Mx8 year deal apparently. He was angry that Faulk got a 6.5Mx7 year deal because he thought that money should have been spent on him...

The Blues aren't cup contenders without Pietrangelo and I think almost any team he joins would get pushed up into at least playoff status.
May 20, 2020 at 1:30 p.m.
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Pietrangelo already turned down a 8Mx8 year deal apparently. He was angry that Faulk got a 6.5Mx7 year deal because he thought that money should have been spent on him...

The Blues aren't cup contenders without Pietrangelo and I think almost any team he joins would get pushed up into at least playoff status.


I'm just saying name quality teams that have the cap/need for Pietrangelo, without having to get rid of cap on their current roster. IMO there are just few quality teams that can afford Pietrangelo at 9m. Besides we are seeing a shift in signings. Some RFAs are getting close to UFA money. So the UFA market even for good/great players is going to get squeezed
May 20, 2020 at 2:21 p.m.
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I'm just saying name quality teams that have the cap/need for Pietrangelo, without having to get rid of cap on their current roster. IMO there are just few quality teams that can afford Pietrangelo at 9m. Besides we are seeing a shift in signings. Some RFAs are getting close to UFA money. So the UFA market even for good/great players is going to get squeezed


Carolina and Winnipeg could probably give 10M and they are pretty strong teams.
May 20, 2020 at 4:48 p.m.
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this assumes no teams make any moves. Plenty of teams make room. Hell look what NSH did this summer to get MD.


Aren't any moves to make to clear that kind of space. Short term.less money deals are gonna be the norm. Most you people are seriously underestimsting tje financial impact here.
May 20, 2020 at 5:09 p.m.
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Aren't any moves to make to clear that kind of space. Short term.less money deals are gonna be the norm. Most you people are seriously underestimsting tje financial impact here.


teams can move cap if they want to. It's not even worth arguing that.
May 20, 2020 at 9:29 p.m.
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teams can move cap if they want to. It's not even worth arguing that.


Where? That's what I want to know.

Examples:

Vancouver has Stetcher, Tanev, Markstrom and Tofolli has FAs..... 2 of them are gone due to cap constraints

Edmonton: Athanasiou, Bear FAs, with 2 lines to fill out. They need to move Russell.

Calgary: cannot afford either Hamonic or Brodie unless Gillies or Parsons is backing up Rittich. Even then, only one of 2 realistically can be resigned.

Toronto: we all know.

NYR: made there moves to free up cap space at the deadline, with Strome, Deagelo and Lemieux as FAs. Capped out after that.

NYI: in worse shape than Toronto with a myriad of bad contracts and Barzal and Pullock to resign.

Nashville: they can try and move Bonino or Turris, but aftet filling out the bottom defense pairomg, capped out.

St. Louis: praying Steen retires, or they have a tough choice to make if they wanna keep Pietrangelo. Bozak maybe gets moved, but see above for trade partners.

Tampa: about $12 million they need to dump to resign Sergachev and Cirelli. But, notice how fast the trade partners are drying up here?

Chicago: cap penalties have then tight.....

Starting to see the trend right?

Point is players may move, but it's gonna be dollar for dollar. There are 5 teams on total that could take on a contract. That is not enough to free up the kind of space you are talking about. This does not, nor will not, free up space to spend large money on a UFA.
May 21, 2020 at 3:30 a.m.
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Where? That's what I want to know.

Examples:

Vancouver has Stetcher, Tanev, Markstrom and Tofolli has FAs..... 2 of them are gone due to cap constraints

Edmonton: Athanasiou, Bear FAs, with 2 lines to fill out. They need to move Russell.

Calgary: cannot afford either Hamonic or Brodie unless Gillies or Parsons is backing up Rittich. Even then, only one of 2 realistically can be resigned.

Toronto: we all know.

NYR: made there moves to free up cap space at the deadline, with Strome, Deagelo and Lemieux as FAs. Capped out after that.

NYI: in worse shape than Toronto with a myriad of bad contracts and Barzal and Pullock to resign.

Nashville: they can try and move Bonino or Turris, but aftet filling out the bottom defense pairomg, capped out.

St. Louis: praying Steen retires, or they have a tough choice to make if they wanna keep Pietrangelo. Bozak maybe gets moved, but see above for trade partners.

Tampa: about $12 million they need to dump to resign Sergachev and Cirelli. But, notice how fast the trade partners are drying up here?

Chicago: cap penalties have then tight.....

Starting to see the trend right?

Point is players may move, but it's gonna be dollar for dollar. There are 5 teams on total that could take on a contract. That is not enough to free up the kind of space you are talking about. This does not, nor will not, free up space to spend large money on a UFA.


I'm sure everyone wanted to know where NSH would move PK too. But it happened.
May 21, 2020 at 3:45 a.m.
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I'm sure everyone wanted to know where NSH would move PK too. But it happened.


Clearly you haven't done a lot of research on this, so when it comes to pass, look me up.
May 21, 2020 at 4:32 a.m.
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Clearly you haven't done a lot of research on this, so when it comes to pass, look me up.


clearly you haven't.
1st no one knows what the cap will be.
2nd no one knows if there will be a buyout, which creates more cap space than if the cap is raised.
Your misguided belief that teams can't open up space is nonsense. There is still a lot of empty cap space out there. And if teams think they can benefit from using it they will. It's just a matter of how bad someone wants it.
May 21, 2020 at 11:19 a.m.
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clearly you haven't.
1st no one knows what the cap will be.
2nd no one knows if there will be a buyout, which creates more cap space than if the cap is raised.
Your misguided belief that teams can't open up space is nonsense. There is still a lot of empty cap space out there. And if teams think they can benefit from using it they will. It's just a matter of how bad someone wants it.


1. Most reports are suggesting a flat cap at best, and a few are throwing out there a decrease (which the NHLPA will fight)

2. The CBO as of right now is something the NHL isn't planning on persuing. Although this would solve an issue across the board.

My position on the matter is 100% grounded on the current situation and reports of the future situation. I have taken time to play with other organizations to see what caproom is truly available and weighing that against organizational direction and needs. What I have found trying to dig into it that NO, there is not a lot of money out there. It's tight. Very tight.

You are working from the assumption that because a team has caproom they will just use it. For a rebuilding team like Ottawa, Jersey or LA that isn't necessarily the case. This maybe especially true when some are starting to suggest that a full ecomonic recovery of the NHL could be a 3 years process - meaning we could be doing the again in 21-22.

Any organization that fails to look at the financial status of the league and the sudden uncertainty surrounding it and fails to take to that information into account for long term planning will eventually implode.

It is 100% percent erroneous to state Pietrangelo gets $9 million regardless of what happens. If their is a CBO, he gets it without issue. If there is a $2 million increase, I think he gets it. Right now? Given all the uncertainty? He does not.

It's like having $100 in your pocket, spending it frivolously even though your not sure when your getting paid again and your fridge is empty. I would say your gonna budget what you have.
 
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