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Gaudreau is moved and Calgary gets better prospects and Drouin gets a new start

Created by: ivan092033
Published: May 24, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Season Days: 186/186 (100%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

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Trade occurred while using LTIR
LTIR Relief: $894,166
LTIR Used Prior to Trade: -$802,917
Coincident TransactionInitial StatusNew StatusCap Hit ChangeRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Rieder, TobiasNHLMinor-$700,000-1-----------
Rinaldo, ZacNHLMinor-$700,000-1-----------
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Gaudreau, JohnnyCalgary FlamesNHL-$6,750,000111---70184058--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Drouin, JonathanMontreal CanadiensNHL-$5,500,000111---277815--
Byron, PaulMontreal CanadiensNHL15%$2,890,000111---294610--
Poehling, RyanWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensMinor-$0011---27112--
Fairbrother, GianniWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensMinor-$0011---0000--
2020 2nd round pick (Logo of the Chicago BlackhawksCHI)---010------
2021 3rd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,697,0832445623612
Change-$240,000-133020
Final$1,457,083 (↓)23 (↓)48 (↑)65 (↑)38 (↑)12-6-250

Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMontreal Canadiens

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Drouin, JonathanMontreal CanadiensNHL-$5,500,000111---277815--
Byron, PaulMontreal CanadiensNHL15%$2,890,000111---294610--
Poehling, RyanWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensMinor-$0011---27112--
Fairbrother, GianniWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensMinor-$0011---0000--
2020 2nd round pick (Logo of the Chicago BlackhawksCHI)---010------
2021 3rd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Gaudreau, JohnnyCalgary FlamesNHL-$6,750,000111---70184058--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$6,181,19121456531019
Change$1,640,000-1-3-30-20
Final$7,821,191 (↑)20 (↓)42 (↓)62 (↓)38 (↓)1962531
May 24, 2020 at 11:06 p.m.
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CGY fans are gonna say theres too many crap pieces and not enough good stuff. Poehling is the money piece. Mtl needs to move the contracts to get Johnny so I think they're gonna say (and I'm gonna agree with) remove the 2nd and 3rd and put in a 1st.
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May 24, 2020 at 11:10 p.m.
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There's no chance Montreal pays all of that for Gaudreau. Maybe if it was after his 100 point season, but with the season he just had, Montreal isn't going to trade you anything near that.
May 25, 2020 at 1:21 a.m.
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There's no chance Montreal pays all of that for Gaudreau. Maybe if it was after his 100 point season, but with the season he just had, Montreal isn't going to trade you anything near that.


That’s one of the reasons flames aren’t going to trade gaudreau they wouldn’t trade him at a low also flames wouldn’t do this the only thing in that trade that intrests Calgary is poehling everything else is useless
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May 25, 2020 at 1:12 p.m.
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No chance. We’re not interested in Gaudreau. Sure he’s had some good offensive regular seasons, but he is completely useless with the physicality & pressure of the playoffs. I wouldn’t even trade Drouin for Gaudreau straight up. Drouin is untouchable, and you’re going to have to make it worth our while to move Poehling & Byron.
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May 25, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
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That’s one of the reasons flames aren’t going to trade gaudreau they wouldn’t trade him at a low also flames wouldn’t do this the only thing in that trade that intrests Calgary is poehling everything else is useless


Nobody in the field cares about the one season Johnny had. They might fake it but they'll treat him like he has value. Ignore the mtl fans here, they don't know what they're talking about.
May 25, 2020 at 4:32 p.m.
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No chance. We’re not interested in Gaudreau. Sure he’s had some good offensive regular seasons, but he is completely useless with the physicality & pressure of the playoffs. I wouldn’t even trade Drouin for Gaudreau straight up. Drouin is untouchable, and you’re going to have to make it worth our while to move Poehling & Byron.


The door is over there.
May 25, 2020 at 9:45 p.m.
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No chance. We’re not interested in Gaudreau. Sure he’s had some good offensive regular seasons, but he is completely useless with the physicality & pressure of the playoffs. I wouldn’t even trade Drouin for Gaudreau straight up. Drouin is untouchable, and you’re going to have to make it worth our while to move Poehling & Byron.


In what world is Drouin untouchable?
May 25, 2020 at 11:02 p.m.
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In what world is Drouin untouchable?


This world. Why on earth would the habs trade him?
May 25, 2020 at 11:03 p.m.
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This world. Why on earth would the habs trade him?


Cuz he can't get it figured out and he's getting injured quite a bit
May 25, 2020 at 11:06 p.m.
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Cuz he can't get it figured out and he's getting injured quite a bit


Other than his one injury this year he’s missed a grand total of 6 games since being traded here. And he definitely had it figured out at the start of the season, but his season was derailed by injury.
May 25, 2020 at 11:07 p.m.
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Other than his one injury this year he’s missed a grand total of 6 games since being traded here. And he definitely had it figured out at the start of the season, but his season was derailed by injury.


And now there's uncertainty if he's gonna refigure it out because he played a few games after his injury and the guy couldn't score
May 25, 2020 at 11:13 p.m.
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And now there's uncertainty if he's gonna refigure it out because he played a few games after his injury and the guy couldn't score


Yes there is uncertainty. Which is exactly why the habs won’t trade him. He had a few bad games after an injury, why does that tell you that we should trade him? Marc Bergevin isn’t some idiot who trades players just for the sake of trading players.
May 25, 2020 at 11:14 p.m.
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Yes there is uncertainty. Which is exactly why the habs won’t trade him. He had a few bad games after an injury, why does that tell you that we should trade him? Marc Bergevin isn’t some idiot who trades players just for the sake of trading players.


I mean he kind of is tho. But ur trading that player for Gaudreau who has insane upside and can be more than a point per game
May 25, 2020 at 11:17 p.m.
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I mean he kind of is tho. But ur trading that player for Gaudreau who has insane upside and can be more than a point per game


If you’re talking about Marc Bergevin, then this conversation is over. I’m sick of people that don’t pay attention to anything, but hate on people just for the sake of hating on them.
May 25, 2020 at 11:22 p.m.
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If you’re talking about Marc Bergevin, then this conversation is over. I’m sick of people that don’t pay attention to anything, but hate on people just for the sake of hating on them.[/quote

Oh I pay attention and imo he's made some good trades but he's also made some very bad ones
May 25, 2020 at 11:23 p.m.
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Name one trade that is definitely bad that Marc Bergevin has made, and name a time where he traded players away for the sake of trading away players.
May 25, 2020 at 11:29 p.m.
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Name one trade that is definitely bad that Marc Bergevin has made, and name a time where he traded players away for the sake of trading away players.


Shaw for two seconds and signed to a 6 year deal to a 4.4M dollar deal. Also Sergachev AND a 2nd for Drouin and a 6th. Yikes
May 25, 2020 at 11:38 p.m.
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Shaw for two seconds and signed to a 6 year deal to a 4.4M dollar deal. Also Sergachev AND a 2nd for Drouin and a 6th. Yikes


I have no idea where you got $4.4 million from. The Shaw trade wasn’t bad at all, 2 2nds was a fair price for a man of his talents. It really sucks that he had injury issues, but you can’t fault the GM for that.

And the trade was Sergachev for Drouin, it clearly states on CapFriendly that the picks weren’t transferred, since Sergachev played more than 40 games. And calling this trade bad is just ridiculous. Neither of the players have proved what they are yet. While it may not end up as a clear win for the habs like most of the other big trades MB has made, it’s not a bad trade by any stretch of the imagination.
May 25, 2020 at 11:43 p.m.
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I have no idea where you got $4.4 million from. The Shaw trade wasn’t bad at all, 2 2nds was a fair price for a man of his talents. It really sucks that he had injury issues, but you can’t fault the GM for that.

And the trade was Sergachev for Drouin, it clearly states on CapFriendly that the picks weren’t transferred, since Sergachev played more than 40 games. And calling this trade bad is just ridiculous. Neither of the players have proved what they are yet. While it may not end up as a clear win for the habs like most of the other big trades MB has made, it’s not a bad trade by any stretch of the imagination.


Sorry 3.9 Mil and even if the picks weren't transferred, still a bad trade. Also u guys completely ****ed up Kotkaniemi's developement. If u gave him a year like Columbus did for Dubois, look what could have happened. Also one of the seconds turned into Alex Debrincat. The trades may be ok but Bergevin has not been great. Also Weber trade. U guys decided to take on that contract. Bad move by Bergevin. Also the Price contract is looking bad.
May 26, 2020 at 12:09 a.m.
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Sorry 3.9 Mil and even if the picks weren't transferred, still a bad trade. Also u guys completely ****ed up Kotkaniemi's developement. If u gave him a year like Columbus did for Dubois, look what could have happened. Also one of the seconds turned into Alex Debrincat. The trades may be ok but Bergevin has not been great. Also Weber trade. U guys decided to take on that contract. Bad move by Bergevin. Also the Price contract is looking bad.


“These trades may be ok”
Yeah that’s what I’m saying, you can’t find a bad trade, and you still haven’t said anything about your claim that Bergevin is trading players away for the sake of trading them.

Kotkaniemi has been great, his year just got thrown off by injuries. And can you please tell me all about this amazing PK Subban with his great contract.

You still haven’t said anything that proves that MB isn’t a good GM. You’re spinning your tires, so I’d recommend reevaluating how you think about things, and stop being such a negative person. Trust me, it’ll do wonders for you.
May 26, 2020 at 12:26 a.m.
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“These trades may be ok”
Yeah that’s what I’m saying, you can’t find a bad trade, and you still haven’t said anything about your claim that Bergevin is trading players away for the sake of trading them.

Kotkaniemi has been great, his year just got thrown off by injuries. And can you please tell me all about this amazing PK Subban with his great contract.

You still haven’t said anything that proves that MB isn’t a good GM. You’re spinning your tires, so I’d recommend reevaluating how you think about things, and stop being such a negative person. Trust me, it’ll do wonders for you.


I'm not being negative. I'm just giving my opinion. Also he's made some great deals. He basically got a free 2nd for Scandella and got Danault AND a second for Weise and Fleischmann. Kotkaniemi had 8 points in 36 games which is bad. PK Subban is more expensive but has way less term remaining. Bergevin has been mediocre. So u can't tell me that he's been good because not much of note has been accomplished in his tenure
May 26, 2020 at 12:47 a.m.
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Nobody in the field cares about the one season Johnny had. They might fake it but they'll treat him like he has value. Ignore the mtl fans here, they don't know what they're talking about.


Yes, the one season he had. At the very best he's a PPG winger, at the very worst, he's a 60 PT winger. This package isn't worth that for a guy who chokes comes playoffs.
May 26, 2020 at 1:18 a.m.
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Yes, the one season he had. At the very best he's a PPG winger, at the very worst, he's a 60 PT winger. This package isn't worth that for a guy who chokes comes playoffs.


Other way around. Nobody cares about the one bad season he had. He put up 72 points last season after you remove PP points. 72 in 82 and you think he's at best a PP winger? That doesn't even make the first bit of sense.
May 26, 2020 at 1:48 a.m.
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Other way around. Nobody cares about the one bad season he had. He put up 72 points last season after you remove PP points. 72 in 82 and you think he's at best a PP winger? That doesn't even make the first bit of sense.


I said PPG player, not PP player.

He has had 445 Points in 464 Games. Makes him a 78P/82 games (74 Points if you take way his 99 point season).Considering what we are giving up and his recent success (or lack thereof), I would keep those pieces over Gaudreau.
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May 26, 2020 at 2:21 a.m.
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I said PPG player, not PP player.

He has had 445 Points in 464 Games. Makes him a 78P/82 games (74 Points if you take way his 99 point season).Considering what we are giving up and his recent success (or lack thereof), I would keep those pieces over Gaudreau.


You did. I misread. I lose. However, I will say that 12 points in 20 playoff games is neither enough games nor a choke. Now I know those basically all came in one year and he played terribly in two other series but two series (9 games) is not a sample size either.
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