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May 25, 2020 at 8:26 a.m.
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That Krug contract is a huge mistake. First you are paying him till he's 36, no thanks.
Second, he's not a top pairing guy and should never be paid like one. He's a sheltered defense man.
You are basically paying for a name and past performance as a second pairing guy.

I think his contract will be one of the worst ones signed this off season.
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May 25, 2020 at 8:26 a.m.
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You're not getting Fleury for E Svech and Fabbri. Fleury just has the best year of his career, he's worth more than a prospect who's not going to pan out and an injury-riddled forward.

St Louis are not going to gift you Kyrou for that

You're low in both term and money on what Lehner wants

Otherwise, yeah go nuts
May 25, 2020 at 8:28 a.m.
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if Krug was willing to take $7m a year, he would have signed with Boston already
May 25, 2020 at 8:39 a.m.
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That Krug contract is a huge mistake. First you are paying him till he's 36, no thanks.
Second, he's not a top pairing guy and should never be paid like one. He's a sheltered defense man.
You are basically paying for a name and past performance as a second pairing guy.

I think his contract will be one of the worst ones signed this off season.


5-6Y for anything under $7M is really good now and would be okay in Year 4-5/6.
May 25, 2020 at 8:47 a.m.
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5-6Y for anything under $7M is really good now and would be okay in Year 4-5/6.


no it's really not. You act like you are signing a 1LD. You aren't.
He's a 60+ % of his starts in the Ozone defense man.
That's not a two way guy which s how you are paying him.
You have to be able to play both sides of the puck. He really does not do that.
I'd put him in the 4-5 range and for 3-4 years.

Teams have to start getting away from bad contracts. Most know this. You can't survive as a competitive team being caught in them all the time. And this one has all the writing on the wall.
You are signing a 5'8 or 5'9 guy till he's 36....He won't last that long. You can almost directly correlate the size of the player to how long they last.
https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/35-plus

The vast majority of those guys are 6'3 or bigger.
There are some who are 6'2 but I think the smallest guy is 6'

This is reality.
May 25, 2020 at 8:54 a.m.
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no it's really not. You act like you are signing a 1LD. You aren't.
He's a 60+ % of his starts in the Ozone defense man.
That's not a two way guy which s how you are paying him.
You have to be able to play both sides of the puck. He really does not do that.
I'd put him in the 4-5 range and for 3-4 years.

Teams have to start getting away from bad contracts. Most know this. You can't survive as a competitive team being caught in them all the time. And this one has all the writing on the wall.
You are signing a 5'8 or 5'9 guy till he's 36....He won't last that long. You can almost directly correlate the size of the player to how long they last.
https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/35-plus

The vast majority of those guys are 6'3 or bigger.
There are some who are 6'2 but I think the smallest guy is 6'

This is reality.


He will still get paid $6,5-$7,5M because of his offensive production. If he would become an UFA, he could even get more than that. The market is like that. That's reality.
And I said 5-6Y, so 34yo/35yo.
May 25, 2020 at 9:13 a.m.
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no it's really not. You act like you are signing a 1LD. You aren't.
He's a 60+ % of his starts in the Ozone defense man.
That's not a two way guy which s how you are paying him.
You have to be able to play both sides of the puck. He really does not do that.
I'd put him in the 4-5 range and for 3-4 years.

Teams have to start getting away from bad contracts. Most know this. You can't survive as a competitive team being caught in them all the time. And this one has all the writing on the wall.
You are signing a 5'8 or 5'9 guy till he's 36....He won't last that long. You can almost directly correlate the size of the player to how long they last.
https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/35-plus

The vast majority of those guys are 6'3 or bigger.
There are some who are 6'2 but I think the smallest guy is 6'

This is reality.


You know what is reality?

Paying players the amount they actually deserve.

Krug has played well enough to deserve 7x7 contract.

No matter the contract expires at 36, if you want to have a player of his caliber in your roster for his best years, you gotta risk it. GMs knows this.
May 25, 2020 at 9:31 a.m.
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You know what is reality?

Paying players the amount they actually deserve.

Krug has played well enough to deserve 7x7 contract.

No matter the contract expires at 36, if you want to have a player of his caliber in your roster for his best years, you gotta risk it. GMs knows this.


Quoting: bhavikp27
He will still get paid $6,5-$7,5M because of his offensive production. If he would become an UFA, he could even get more than that. The market is like that. That's reality.
And I said 5-6Y, so 34yo/35yo.


This is just toxic thinking for a team.
Detroit doesn't pay Krug for his performance on Boston. They pay him for their future returns.

He want's that kind of money, let Boston pay him. Since that is where he earned it.

When you begin to understand that, then you will realize why no team should be handing him a 7 year deal till he's 36, and he's not worth 7 million per.
He's not a 1LD, he should not be paid like it. Nor will detroit get that kind of consistent value out of him as he ages.

So yeah, go ahead, think like a fan. Think bad decisions is how a team should be run.

Oh and one more point. Players best years aren't in their 30s. I don't know where you get that from. All statistics show otherwise.
NHL defense men peak at 24-25 and then have a slow decline.
Forwards 26-27 and then decline more rapidly.
There is a mountain of evidence of this.
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May 25, 2020 at 10:31 a.m.
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This is just toxic thinking for a team.
Detroit doesn't pay Krug for his performance on Boston. They pay him for their future returns.

He want's that kind of money, let Boston pay him. Since that is where he earned it.

When you begin to understand that, then you will realize why no team should be handing him a 7 year deal till he's 36, and he's not worth 7 million per.
He's not a 1LD, he should not be paid like it. Nor will detroit get that kind of consistent value out of him as he ages.

So yeah, go ahead, think like a fan. Think bad decisions is how a team should be run.

Oh and one more point. Players best years aren't in their 30s. I don't know where you get that from. All statistics show otherwise.
NHL defense men peak at 24-25 and then have a slow decline.
Forwards 26-27 and then decline more rapidly.
There is a mountain of evidence of this.


" This is just toxic thinking for a team.
Detroit doesn't pay Krug for his performance on Boston. They pay him for their future returns. "

That's how it works in the NHL. You get paid based on what you did the year/years before (UFAs). Look at the 2016 deals, most of them are all disaster but it is like that in the NHL. I know it's wrong but it is what it is.

" So yeah, go ahead, think like a fan. Think bad decisions is how a team should be run. "

Think like a GM*
May 25, 2020 at 10:42 a.m.
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This is just toxic thinking for a team.
Detroit doesn't pay Krug for his performance on Boston. They pay him for their future returns.

He want's that kind of money, let Boston pay him. Since that is where he earned it.

When you begin to understand that, then you will realize why no team should be handing him a 7 year deal till he's 36, and he's not worth 7 million per.
He's not a 1LD, he should not be paid like it. Nor will detroit get that kind of consistent value out of him as he ages.

So yeah, go ahead, think like a fan. Think bad decisions is how a team should be run.

Oh and one more point. Players best years aren't in their 30s. I don't know where you get that from. All statistics show otherwise.
NHL defense men peak at 24-25 and then have a slow decline.
Forwards 26-27 and then decline more rapidly.
There is a mountain of evidence of this.


Obviously they pay for Krug's future performance, but unless you have a f*cking time-machine in your backyard, GMs have no option but making the offer based on their past production.

Krug's production in the pasts easily justifies paying him at least $7M a year on a 7-year contract.

He is the 1LD on the current UFA market, so he's going to be paid a lot. Unless BOS re-signs him ofc.

Krug's age is not an issue yet. He's in the most common UFA age. And the UFA contracts tend to be bigger than RFA deals for obvious reasons.

You are entitled to think however you like, but you'd never run even close to a contending team if you won't give top level players top level contracts due to them being of certain age.

And before you say that Krug is not a top level player, he is the best LHD on this year's UFA market, so he's gonna get paid what is due.

That is how today's NHL work.
May 25, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.
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" This is just toxic thinking for a team.
Detroit doesn't pay Krug for his performance on Boston. They pay him for their future returns. "

That's how it works in the NHL. You get paid based on what you did the year/years before (UFAs). Look at the 2016 deals, most of them are all disaster but it is like that in the NHL. I know it's wrong but it is what it is.

" So yeah, go ahead, think like a fan. Think bad decisions is how a team should be run. "

Think like a GM*


You don't think teams are learning from those mistakes? Are you kidding me. There are many teams not making them anymore. Who let guys walk.
When you can sit here and say "I know it's wrong.....garbage garbage garbage"....then the GM knows it's wrong too and is trying to avoid it.



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Obviously they pay for Krug's future performance, but unless you have a f*cking time-machine in your backyard, GMs have no option but making the offer based on their past production.

Krug's production in the pasts easily justifies paying him at least $7M a year on a 7-year contract.

He is the 1LD on the current UFA market, so he's going to be paid a lot. Unless BOS re-signs him ofc.

Krug's age is not an issue yet. He's in the most common UFA age. And the UFA contracts tend to be bigger than RFA deals for obvious reasons.

You are entitled to think however you like, but you'd never run even close to a contending team if you won't give top level players top level contracts due to them being of certain age.

And before you say that Krug is not a top level player, he is the best LHD on this year's UFA market, so he's gonna get paid what is due.

That is how today's NHL work.


You don't need a time machine to know signing Krug til l36 is a dumb move.
Nor do you need one to know he's not a 1LD, and shouldn't be paid like one.
You are enamored by a name. Some non logical attachment to it.
He's not a 7 mil a year player, he does not deserve a 7 year deal at 29 years old.
Both are mistakes.
Furthermore this idea of "best LD" on the UFA market is really relative. He's clearly not the best guy in his own zone. Which is why boston hides him.
Yes he's an offensive defense man....but he has limited 2 way appeal and those numbers are more than likely to flake out. As has done for a lot of players who only had offense going for them.

You can believe whatever you want. You would be the GM signing him to a 7 year deal and then regretting it.
Other teams want to win.

The whole idea of "what is due" Boston can pay him for his past. Other teams shouldn't be making that mistake.
You are due nothing but what you can bring to the ice for your new team. And he isn't brining 7x7 value to a new team.
May 25, 2020 at 12:30 p.m.
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You don't think teams are learning from those mistakes? Are you kidding me. There are many teams not making them anymore. Who let guys walk.
When you can sit here and say "I know it's wrong.....garbage garbage garbage"....then the GM knows it's wrong too and is trying to avoid it.





You don't need a time machine to know signing Krug til l36 is a dumb move.
Nor do you need one to know he's not a 1LD, and shouldn't be paid like one.
You are enamored by a name. Some non logical attachment to it.
He's not a 7 mil a year player, he does not deserve a 7 year deal at 29 years old.
Both are mistakes.
Furthermore this idea of "best LD" on the UFA market is really relative. He's clearly not the best guy in his own zone. Which is why boston hides him.
Yes he's an offensive defense man....but he has limited 2 way appeal and those numbers are more than likely to flake out. As has done for a lot of players who only had offense going for them.

You can believe whatever you want. You would be the GM signing him to a 7 year deal and then regretting it.
Other teams want to win.

The whole idea of "what is due" Boston can pay him for his past. Other teams shouldn't be making that mistake.
You are due nothing but what you can bring to the ice for your new team. And he isn't brining 7x7 value to a new team.


One knows that giving him a big long-term is the most practical, and probably the way to get him to sign with your team. Especially when the team is the weakest in the entire league.

Offensively he is a 1LD. Pretty close to Klingberg. Would go to first pair in 20 teams in the league, including BOS who's currently the league leader.

Name me one UFA with similar kind of stats that didn't get a deal with the cap percentage (8,6%) equal to him getting a $7M deal. There's a lot of weaker players getting near that amount. It's very rare that a D of his level would end up as UFA in the first place.

It's obvious he's not the best guy on his own zone, he's an offensive defenseman. He's paid for more due to his offensive abilities. not defensive necessarily.

And it's obvious that if he becomes UFA he's certainly getting a $7M+ deal, no matter what term is it. You'll see.
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May 25, 2020 at 12:46 p.m.
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One knows that giving him a big long-term is the most practical, and probably the way to get him to sign with your team. Especially when the team is the weakest in the entire league.

Offensively he is a 1LD. Pretty close to Klingberg. Would go to first pair in 20 teams in the league, including BOS who's currently the league leader.

Name me one UFA with similar kind of stats that didn't get a deal with the cap percentage (8,6%) equal to him getting a $7M deal. There's a lot of weaker players getting near that amount. It's very rare that a D of his level would end up as UFA in the first place.

It's obvious he's not the best guy on his own zone, he's an offensive defenseman. He's paid for more due to his offensive abilities. not defensive necessarily.

And it's obvious that if he becomes UFA he's certainly getting a $7M+ deal, no matter what term is it. You'll see.


Agreed with everything here.
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You don't think teams are learning from those mistakes? Are you kidding me. There are many teams not making them anymore. Who let guys walk.
When you can sit here and say "I know it's wrong.....garbage garbage garbage"....then the GM knows it's wrong too and is trying to avoid it.

You don't need a time machine to know signing Krug til l36 is a dumb move.
Nor do you need one to know he's not a 1LD, and shouldn't be paid like one.
You are enamored by a name. Some non logical attachment to it.
He's not a 7 mil a year player, he does not deserve a 7 year deal at 29 years old.
Both are mistakes.
Furthermore this idea of "best LD" on the UFA market is really relative. He's clearly not the best guy in his own zone. Which is why boston hides him.
Yes he's an offensive defense man....but he has limited 2 way appeal and those numbers are more than likely to flake out. As has done for a lot of players who only had offense going for them.

You can believe whatever you want. You would be the GM signing him to a 7 year deal and then regretting it.
Other teams want to win.

The whole idea of "what is due" Boston can pay him for his past. Other teams shouldn't be making that mistake.
You are due nothing but what you can bring to the ice for your new team. And he isn't brining 7x7 value to a new team.


You don't seem to understand that it's not how it works in the NHL. That's my point. We don't care about how I/you think, it's about how GMs think and what will happen. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong but in the end, They are the GMs in the NHL. Not me, not you.
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You don't seem to understand that it's not how it works in the NHL. That's my point. We don't care about how I/you think, it's about how GMs think and what will happen. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong but in the end, They are the GMs in the NHL. Not me, not you.


You seem not to get this. GMs have collectively made the conscious decision to not sign these guys to 36 years anymore.
I don't know why that is hard for you to understand. They are all looking at the bad decisions by teams like SJS and saying, no not us.
The whole league has focused on getting younger and faster. This idea you have of handing guys who are 29 7 years deals is not realistic.

Quoting: justaBoss
One knows that giving him a big long-term is the most practical, and probably the way to get him to sign with your team. Especially when the team is the weakest in the entire league.

Offensively he is a 1LD. Pretty close to Klingberg. Would go to first pair in 20 teams in the league, including BOS who's currently the league leader.

Name me one UFA with similar kind of stats that didn't get a deal with the cap percentage (8,6%) equal to him getting a $7M deal. There's a lot of weaker players getting near that amount. It's very rare that a D of his level would end up as UFA in the first place.

It's obvious he's not the best guy on his own zone, he's an offensive defenseman. He's paid for more due to his offensive abilities. not defensive necessarily.

And it's obvious that if he becomes UFA he's certainly getting a $7M+ deal, no matter what term is it. You'll see.


He is not a 1LD, not even close. You need to play both ends of the ice to be given that marker. And you act like he's the best D man on the market he's not. Pietrangelo is a much preferable target for many teams.
So stop the, guys like this never hit the market non sense. You over value your player.
Shattenkirk is basically the same thing. Offensive guy only. FA.
Period.
May 25, 2020 at 1:36 p.m.
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You seem not to get this. GMs have collectively made the conscious decision to not sign these guys to 36 years anymore.
I don't know why that is hard for you to understand. They are all looking at the bad decisions by teams like SJS and saying, no not us.
The whole league has focused on getting younger and faster. This idea you have of handing guys who are 29 7 years deals is not realistic.



He is not a 1LD, not even close. You need to play both ends of the ice to be given that marker. And you act like he's the best D man on the market he's not. Pietrangelo is a much preferable target for many teams.
So stop the, guys like this never hit the market non sense. You over value your player.
Shattenkirk is basically the same thing. Offensive guy only. FA.
Period.


@justaBoss literally said " Offensively he is a 1LD " which he is. Not 1LD on a team but offensively, yes. He's getting paid for that. And Krug is also correct defensively.
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if Krug was willing to take $7m a year, he would have signed with Boston already


This, All the more reason why his days in Boston are numbered.
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5-6Y for anything under $7M is really good now and would be okay in Year 4-5/6.


Dude you need a reality check, If Krug were willing to sign for less then $7m per. He'd already be resigned by now. Most have said that he's looking at least between 7.5m to 8.0m on a 5 or 6 year deal if not more. Pretty certain his days in Boston are numbered. He's close to his parents in Livonia and she's close to her parents there in East Lansing. Pretty sure Sweeney would need to offer him at least 6 x 7.5m for him to remain there in Beantown
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Dude you need a reality check, If Krug were willing to sign for less then $7m per. He'd already be resigned by now. Most have said that he's looking at least between 7.5m to 8.0m on a 5 or 6 year deal if not more. Pretty certain his days in Boston are numbered. He's close to his parents in Livonia and she's close to her parents there in East Lansing. Pretty sure Sweeney would need to offer him at least 6 x 7.5m for him to remain there in Beantown


I like how you are so confident he won't re-sign in Boston tears of joy

Bruins (could) also be waiting for the final cap number. Every $ counts for a team like the B's. So $6,75M/$7M/$7,25M is different. And nobody (big names) has re-signed since TDL so the " he'd already be resigned by now " doesn't really make me worry.
May 25, 2020 at 2:59 p.m.
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This, All the more reason why his days in Boston are numbered.


I don't think they're number. The flat cap throws a wrinkle in things for sure. Both sides want to make a deal work and as close as Krug is to his family, he loves Boston and being willing to take a discount to stay shows it.

It'll be interesting to see how things play out
May 25, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.
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@justaBoss literally said " Offensively he is a 1LD " which he is. Not 1LD on a team but offensively, yes. He's getting paid for that. And Krug is also correct defensively.


There is no such thing as being a 1LD offensively. The whole point of being a 1LD is that they are able to be on the ice in any circumstance.
You can't name me 1 LD on a team that is useless in the defensive zone. Even the 1LD guys who are considered "defensive defense men" are able to at least help out in the O zone.
They aren't inept. The can play both halves of the rink. They are the kind of guys who are never hidden on the ice.
You don't HIDE a 1LD. That's the damn point of them!
May 25, 2020 at 5:54 p.m.
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There is no such thing as being a 1LD offensively. The whole point of being a 1LD is that they are able to be on the ice in any circumstance.
You can't name me 1 LD on a team that is useless in the defensive zone. Even the 1LD guys who are considered "defensive defense men" are able to at least help out in the O zone.
They aren't inept. The can play both halves of the rink. They are the kind of guys who are never hidden on the ice.
You don't HIDE a 1LD. That's the damn point of them!


It depends how the team is built, really. I do agree with your point that Krug is almost never used in defensive situation and thus calling him a 1LD seems a stretch. But it doesn't mean that he couldn't be a 1LD on his respective team if the team works so good offensively than they benefit from using an offensive D as their first one rather than a defensive one. Teams such as TOR and NSH, and also BOS is built this way.

Why this works for BOS though is due to their forward's defensive abilities. TOR's and NSH's forwards and d-men are absolutely pathetic on this end and thus this way of playing ends up with loads of goals against. NSH has Josi as their D though, who is absolutely amazing in both ends.

But like I said before, Krug is not going to be acquired as a strengthening to the defense of a team. Rather, he's going to be a "4th forward" in a sense. Could this be useful for teams such as DET, no one knows yet.

His offensive value is that of a 50-60 point d-man, which is in the ballpark of that $7M deal. His value is still on that level.
May 25, 2020 at 8:16 p.m.
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It depends how the team is built, really. I do agree with your point that Krug is almost never used in defensive situation and thus calling him a 1LD seems a stretch. But it doesn't mean that he couldn't be a 1LD on his respective team if the team works so good offensively than they benefit from using an offensive D as their first one rather than a defensive one. Teams such as TOR and NSH, and also BOS is built this way.

Why this works for BOS though is due to their forward's defensive abilities. TOR's and NSH's forwards and d-men are absolutely pathetic on this end and thus this way of playing ends up with loads of goals against. NSH has Josi as their D though, who is absolutely amazing in both ends.

But like I said before, Krug is not going to be acquired as a strengthening to the defense of a team. Rather, he's going to be a "4th forward" in a sense. Could this be useful for teams such as DET, no one knows yet.

His offensive value is that of a 50-60 point d-man, which is in the ballpark of that $7M deal. His value is still on that level.


He is not going to be a 50-60 point D-man till he's 36 years old.
And this is the point. This is a contract that pays him for past performance not future returns. Detroit doesn't pay for what he DID on Boston. They pay for what they can expect him to do for DET.
And I have to be honest with you, I don't see him getting 50-60 points on Detroit. He is in the Ozone with one of the best lines in hockey. So those numbers, frankly are inflated.
You want to over pay on a defenseman be my guest. But there is no way I hand him that contract.
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He is not going to be a 50-60 point D-man till he's 36 years old.
And this is the point. This is a contract that pays him for past performance not future returns. Detroit doesn't pay for what he DID on Boston. They pay for what they can expect him to do for DET.
And I have to be honest with you, I don't see him getting 50-60 points on Detroit. He is in the Ozone with one of the best lines in hockey. So those numbers, frankly are inflated.
You want to over pay on a defenseman be my guest. But there is no way I hand him that contract.


Honestly if all of the contracts follow your logic, the maximum term on every deal would be 3 years because of the possibility of a player not being that good in the future.

Sadly, that's not how anything works. The UFA player's market value depends on two things:
1) buyers needs - if a team needs a player such as Krug, it's likely the team would offer more than others.
2) players past performance - because no one can predict how well players will perform in future, the only factual basis for making an offer is the players past production.

Teams have the option of giving a lot of money short term for a player they might be after, or they could offer him a tad less with him more term. At 29, assuming a 7-year contract is still somewhat reasonable. Especially when the market for the players of his caliber is pretty scarce.
 
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