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Good vs Overated ft Advanced Stats Rookie Edition

Created by: firezfurx
Team: 2019-20 Custom Team
Initial Creation Date: May 25, 2020
Published: May 25, 2020
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Leftside: Actually good
Rightside: Over rated

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/toronto-maple-leafs-advanced-statistics/#leafsreport
Ik its a leafs site but they have a good database of advanced stats with percentiles and stuff.

Every player on this list looks good on paper, but advanced stats differentiate them.
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
11$81,500,000$9,596,665$0$11,665,000$71,903,335
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the New York Rangers
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C, RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$720,000$720,000 (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$767,500$767,500 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender

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May 25, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.
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Ethan Bears advanced numbers are pretty decent actually
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May 25, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.
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Bear is decent analytically
May 25, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.
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All really young with not a ton of experience. Give it a couple of years.
May 25, 2020 at 3:34 p.m.
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Dubas isnt a genius
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Quoting: bunzy1034
Ethan Bears advanced numbers are pretty decent actually


Quoting: AFOX10900
Bear is decent analytically


Yea for sure he's better then the others in that category, his xGa relative to his teamates is pretty weak, and although he has good enough shot suppression he gets caught off guard on odd-man rushes and isn't good at defusing high-danger situations, hence his abyssmal xGA TM REL.
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May 25, 2020 at 3:35 p.m.
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I wouldn't say bear is overated
May 25, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.
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I’d still take Hughes over anyone on this list
May 25, 2020 at 3:50 p.m.
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I’d still take Hughes over anyone on this list


Yea. Makar was in the 100th percentile for defensemen. He is literally the best defensemen in the world according to advanced stats at age 21. Hughes and Fox are up there too, but not quite as good as Makar.
May 25, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.
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Yea. Makar was in the 100th percentile for defensemen. He is literally the best defensemen in the world according to advanced stats at age 21. Hughes and Fox are up there too, but not quite as good as Makar.


Jack Hughes
May 25, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.
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What are your games play requirements? There’s some other rookies who can be listed here who don’t have here.
May 25, 2020 at 4:00 p.m.
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Jack Hughes


No the greater Hughes lol. Jack Hughes sucks. Kappo Kakko is even worse. They have horrendous defensive stats. Dach is actually pretty good.
May 25, 2020 at 4:01 p.m.
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What are your games play requirements? There’s some other rookies who can be listed here who don’t have here.


Obviouslly I didn't include Makar and co. because they are so much better then the players listed here. I just chose some random rookies who aren't great but also are considered not bad.
May 25, 2020 at 4:02 p.m.
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Quoting: firezfurx
No the greater Hughes lol. Jack Hughes sucks. Kappo Kakko is even worse. They have horrendous defensive stats. Dach is actually pretty good.


Jack Hughes just turned 19 a few weeks ago. He wasn’t good this season, but he has the potential to be an elite 1C
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May 25, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.
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Jack Hughes just turned 19 a few weeks ago. He wasn’t good this season, but he has the potential to be an elite 1C


For sure. BUT, his defense is atrocious. Dach is pretty good among forwards (73rd percentile) for 2-way game, while Hughes is in the 10th percentile. See what I mean? Hughes also is in the 98th percentile for Ozone starts which makes it even more pathetic.
May 25, 2020 at 4:26 p.m.
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Quoting: firezfurx
For sure. BUT, his defense is atrocious. Dach is pretty good among forwards (73rd percentile) for 2-way game, while Hughes is in the 10th percentile. See what I mean? Hughes also is in the 98th percentile for Ozone starts which makes it even more pathetic.


Yeah I’m not saying he was good this season, but I think he will end up being the best player out of all the ones on this list.

I’m surprised Dobson isn’t on this list. He only played 34 games, but he was forced to play on his off side with one of the worst defenseman in the league (boychuk). His advanced metrics were solid.
May 25, 2020 at 4:52 p.m.
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What stats are you going on exactly? Nylander has poor analytics and Bear and Gurianov (especially the latter) are very good.
Dach was pretty meh at best (but roughly expected considering his age).
May 25, 2020 at 4:59 p.m.
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Quoting: firezfurx
For sure. BUT, his defense is atrocious. Dach is pretty good among forwards (73rd percentile) for 2-way game, while Hughes is in the 10th percentile. See what I mean? Hughes also is in the 98th percentile for Ozone starts which makes it even more pathetic.


One of my issues with advanced stats is they don't take into account schemes for forchecking or neutral zone play. Hughes may start in the offensive zone more than 98% of players, but unless the Devils are able to sustain offensive pressure, they will fall back into a neutral zone trap and won't be aggressive on the forcheck.

What 10th percentile is Hughes in for his "two-way game"?
May 25, 2020 at 5:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
What stats are you going on exactly? Nylander has poor analytics and Bear and Gurianov (especially the latter) are very good.
Dach was pretty meh at best (but roughly expected considering his age).


Check the link in the desc.

For the most part I like to use stats relative to teamates.
May 25, 2020 at 5:06 p.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
What 10th percentile is Hughes in for his "two-way game"?


xGa REL TM/60
May 25, 2020 at 5:08 p.m.
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Quoting: firezfurx
Check the link in the desc.

For the most part I like to use stats relative to teamates.


I would use a regression model. Much better.
May 25, 2020 at 5:11 p.m.
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Quoting: firezfurx
xGa REL TM/60


How does that measure defensive ability? All that data shows is the expected goals allowed relative to his teammates standardized for ice time? Most advanced analytics are descriptive stats; they are just a summary of what happened, not why or how.
 
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