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Lias Andersson trade NYR

Created by: Richard88
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: May 26, 2020
Published: May 26, 2020
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The Lias Andersson trade was proposed by a Rangers fan in the AGM linked below, and I was curious how it would look on Colorado's end.
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/330299

I'm not particularly fussed about Andersson himself, but I'm intrigued about picking up the extra 1st round pick, for essentially what aren't key parts of the team moving forward.

An extra 1st (around #23) would allow us to fill both our biggest prospect pool needs in picking up a good RHD (eg. Schneider/Niemela) and a forward (eg. Peterka/Mysak/Reichel/Wiesblatt) which would leave our prospect pool in a very healthy position in spite of Kaut and Byram graduating in 2020/21.

As for Andersson himself, he'd get a fresh start and the chance to compete for a bottom 6 forward role in 2021 when Calvert and Bellemare hit UFA, though he'd need to earn his minutes as he'd be up against some other really good young players in Bowers/Newhook/Peterka/O'Connor/etc

Anyways, curious to hear some thoughts from Colorado fans...
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$5,000,000
3$2,750,000
2$2,250,000
1$925,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,000,000
3$3,850,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Schneider, Braden
3$925,000
Peterka, John-Jason
3$925,000
Trades
COL
  1. Andersson, Lias
  2. 2020 1st round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
#23 overall
NYR
  1. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  2. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
  3. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (TOR)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$75,868,095$0$5,425,000$5,631,905

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$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
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UFA - 1
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$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 2
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW
RFA - 3
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 1
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$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
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$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$150,000$150K)
C
RFA - 2
Peterka, John-Jason
$925,000$925,000
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
Schneider, Braden
$925,000$925,000
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$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
G
RFA - 3

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May 26, 2020 at 3:01 p.m.
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Decline
May 26, 2020 at 3:05 p.m.
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Decline. But if you want Lias, 3rd + Lias for Jost and Rangers accept.
May 26, 2020 at 3:09 p.m.
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The value is there, kinda quality for quantity w/upside. Certainly fills most needs for NYR. I don't want to, but I would. COL can get even more separately, yet quantity. Nice
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May 26, 2020 at 3:09 p.m.
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Decline. But if you want Lias, 3rd + Lias for Jost and Rangers accept.


No thanks. Jost is at least a 3rd liner (still with 2c upside) at this stage. Whereas Lias isn't even in the NHL and has <10 points in 66 career games.

I don't really want Lias, I'm more interested in the 1st that @Kakko_to_New_York included in his AGM trade proposal. If you value Lias and Jost equally then you can remove Lias and Jost from this trade altogether and I'd be happy to do that trade (i.e. Zadorov + Kamenev + 3rd for #23.... or maybe Zadorov + Jost for #23).
May 26, 2020 at 3:13 p.m.
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Quoting: DoubleADoubleK
The value is there, kinda quality for quantity w/upside. Certainly fills most needs for NYR. I don't want to, but I would. COL can get even more separately, yet quantity. Nice


Yeah it's definitely a bit of "quantity" there, but as you say I think it gives NYR a few useful pieces in one swoop.

From Colorado's perspective we could as you say pick up numerous picks by trading them separately, namely:

- Zadorov = 2nd + 3rd
- Jost = 2nd + 3rd
- Kamenev = 3rd/4th

That would effectively make the trade 2 2nd's + 3 3rds + 1 3rd/4th for the #22 pick and Andersson.

If we say for arguments sake that Andersson is worth a 2nd + 3rd (same as Jost, though I think Jost has more value at the moment), then it becomes:

2 2nd's + 3 3rd's + 1 3rd/4th for #22 + 2nd + 3rd

or cancelling out

2nd + 2 3rd's + 1 3rd/4th for #22.

Looks like a fair swap, though it's a lot of pieces on Colorado's side. It's effectively 4 picks within #45 to 100 in exchange for the #22 pick. Granted, this is a VERY simplistic view of it, but I think it helps to establish something of a baseline to see that the trade is reasonably fair.

Given Colorado's lack of success in finding talent outside of the 1st round in the last decade or so I'd probably lean towards accepting this trade instead of picking up a bunch of later picks for those players. Colorado is also in a position to consolidate assets due to having really strong depth and top-heavy prospect pool, so this would make sense for them.
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May 26, 2020 at 3:20 p.m.
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No thanks. Jost is at least a 3rd liner (still with 2c upside) at this stage. Whereas Lias isn't even in the NHL and has <10 points in 66 career games.

I don't really want Lias, I'm more interested in the 1st that @Kakko_to_New_York included in his AGM trade proposal. If you value Lias and Jost equally then you can remove Lias and Jost from this trade altogether and I'd be happy to do that trade (i.e. Zadorov + Kamenev + 3rd for #23.... or maybe Zadorov + Jost for #23).


Aw that’s unfortunate. Cuz the 1st isn’t for sale. Looks like this isn’t going to work.
May 26, 2020 at 3:25 p.m.
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Aw that’s unfortunate. Cuz the 1st isn’t for sale. Looks like this isn’t going to work.


That's ok. I was simply responding to the Ranger fan who made that offer. I think Colorado will be fine with making separate trades too. For example we can use a combination of these assets to pick up Josh Anderson or any number of useful roster players that help us win immediately, compared to this trade which is for futures only.
May 26, 2020 at 4:40 p.m.
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That's ok. I was simply responding to the Ranger fan who made that offer. I think Colorado will be fine with making separate trades too. For example we can use a combination of these assets to pick up Josh Anderson or any number of useful roster players that help us win immediately, compared to this trade which is for futures only.


Totally that makes more sense for you guys. It's unfortunate what happens when a few fans post something dumb, everyone jumps on it. That's why you gotta squash that stuff.
May 26, 2020 at 4:45 p.m.
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Totally that makes more sense for you guys. It's unfortunate what happens when a few fans post something dumb, everyone jumps on it. That's why you gotta squash that stuff.


I'm not sure it's that dumb of a trade though. Rangers would be trading a late 1st but they'd be getting 3 pieces that can solve roster holes for them right now and that are all young enough to fit Rangers' retool. All 3 are RFA's too so you'd have complete flexibility contract wise.
May 26, 2020 at 4:53 p.m.
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I'm not sure it's that dumb of a trade though.


Don't worry, we are sure.
May 27, 2020 at 3:26 a.m.
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That's ok. I was simply responding to the Ranger fan who made that offer. I think Colorado will be fine with making separate trades too. For example we can use a combination of these assets to pick up Josh Anderson or any number of useful roster players that help us win immediately, compared to this trade which is for futures only.


I Added DALLAS' first not Carolina's. I'd only do it if we got another first for strome.
May 27, 2020 at 7:07 p.m.
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I Added DALLAS' first not Carolina's. I'd only do it if we got another first for strome.


Oh right, sorry. I figured that the picks were pretty much equivalent in value as they are likely to be around 22-23. Apologies if I misrepresented your proposal, it wasn't my intention.
May 27, 2020 at 7:23 p.m.
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Oh right, sorry. I figured that the picks were pretty much equivalent in value as they are likely to be around 22-23. Apologies if I misrepresented your proposal, it wasn't my intention.


No no it's fine im just saying that would be the only way it'd work for us in terms of trading a first for those pieces
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