CDH vs Maatta

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Created by: ForsbergForVezina

Team: 2020-21 Chicago Blackhawks

Initial Creation Date: May 26, 2020

Published: May 26, 2020

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Yeah yeah, this should be in forums whatever

In a perfect world, one of them goes this offseason, not due to poor play, but so prospects (Mitchell, Carlsson, Beaudin) won’t be blocked when they’re ready. Slater Koekkoek could be added to this group, but I can’t see him leaving, as he’s nearly as good as them and will cost half as much to keep, which is why I always include him in my Hawks ACGMs (and you should too).

You could make an argument for moving (or keeping, rather) either of them. According to Evolving Wild’s Goals Above Replacement model, Maatta was Chicago’s most valuable defenseman this season. The points aren’t there, but the reduced role and competent partners have considerably helped his game. These factors, in my mind, make him more valuable than Calvin De Haan, who was injured for over half the season, is older and slightly more expensive. However, if healthy, I think De Haan can be just as effective as Maatta or any other 2nd pairing defensive-minded defenseman.

I like both of them and would even go as far to say I want to keep both of them. But the reality is is that there are cheaper, potentially better options who could be ready next season.

If one has to go, who would you move, why and what is Chicago getting back?

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Mitchell, Ian		3	$916,667

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Caggiula, Drake	1	$1,650,000
Koekkoek, Slater	3	$2,000,000
Kubalik, Dominik	2	$4,000,000
Strome, Dylan	2	$3,750,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Crawford, Corey		2	$4,000,000

Trades

CHI

2021 2nd round pick (BUF)

BUF

Määttä, Olli

Buyouts

Zack Smith: $1,083,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$81,500,000	$72,642,039	$1,090,244	$4,282,500	$8,857,961

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kubalik, Dominik $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Toews, Jonathan $10,500,000$10,500,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Saad, Brandon $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Nylander, Alexander $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 1	Dach, Kirby $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C, RW RFA - 2	Kane, Patrick $2,625,000$2,625,000 RW NMC UFA - 3
DeBrincat, Alex $6,400,000$6,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Strome, Dylan $3,750,000$3,750,000 C UFA - 2	Caggiula, Drake $1,650,000$1,650,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
	Kämpf, David $1,000,000$1,000,000 C UFA - 1	Carpenter, Ryan $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 2
Highmore, Matthew $725,000$725,000 LW, RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 3	Boqvist, Adam $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2	Crawford, Corey $4,000,000$4,000,000 G UFA - 2
De Haan, Calvin $4,550,000$4,550,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Mitchell, Ian $916,667$916,667 RD RFA - 3	Delia, Collin $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 2
Koekkoek, Slater $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Murphy, Connor $3,850,000$3,850,000 RD UFA - 2
Carlsson, Lucas $792,500$792,500 ($82,500$82K) LD RFA - 1
Beaudin, Nicolas $863,333$863,333 LD UFA - 3

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Seabrook, Brent $6,875,000$6,875,000 RD NMC UFA - 4		Shaw, Andrew $3,900,000$3,900,000 C, RW UFA - 2
Sikura, Dylan $750,000$750,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 1

May 26, 2020 at 10:18 p.m.

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Maatta has 2 years left right?

If so, if you retained a certain amount so that he would have a 3 mil cap hit with us, I'd move Howden and 2021 2nd for Maatta and a 2021 4th rounder

May 26, 2020 at 10:19 p.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

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CDH is definitely the better player, problem is he gets injured. I would take the risk and keep him though, you might get more value from Maata if he performs well this tournament

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May 26, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.

Roviet_Sussia

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I'd think Maatta is the most likely to get moved, unless a team specifically wants CDH. Maatta is cheaper (though not by much) and has a much friendlier buyout clause that will interest teams the most.

I'd also be inclined to keep CDH despite having a lower GAR than Maatta, mainly because
1.) He's better at relieving pressure in both zones (cc @ShutdownLine)
2.) CDH plays more aggressively than Maatta, which is something CHI needs more of on the backend

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May 26, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.

ForsbergForVezina

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Maatta has 2 years left right?

If so, if you retained a certain amount so that he would have a 3 mil cap hit with us, I'd move Howden and 2021 2nd for Maatta and a 2021 4th rounder

$3 million is definitely right around fair market value for Maatta but $1 million is a lot to retain for two seasons. Then again, I don’t hate that deal. I think I’d accept

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May 26, 2020 at 10:32 p.m.

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina

$3 million is definitely right around fair market value for Maatta but $1 million is a lot to retain for two seasons. Then again, I don’t hate that deal. I think I’d accept

Deal

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May 26, 2020 at 10:33 p.m.

ForsbergForVezina

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Quoting: Roviet_Sussia

I’d agree with the aggressiveness/physicality for sure and relieving pressure is good too. That would probably be my inclination too, but the risk for injury with CDH is definitely something that concerns me. But it’s going to concern any other potential trade partner too. I think De Haan stays

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May 26, 2020 at 10:34 p.m.

Wadejos123

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Ideally we draft Lundell, then trade Strome for Brodin and keep Maata for the bottom pair, but since that won't happen ill say I would rather keep Dehaan and move Maata. Probably could get a 3rd back.

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May 26, 2020 at 11:14 p.m.

ForsbergForVezina

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Quoting: Wadejos123

Not a bad plan honestly. I don’t love Lundell compared to a number of other prospects in the draft but he really could be just what they need. And Brodin is one of the most underrated defensemen in the league, if somehow they could grab him, that would be a huge win

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May 27, 2020 at 12:48 a.m.

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"However, if healthy, I think De Haan can be just as effective as Maatta or any other 2nd pairing defensive-minded defenseman."

You lost me with that statement. When healthy, De Haan is another level better then Maatta and there should be no debate. De Haan is one of the better defensive 2nd line players in the league. Maatta is not a 2nd line player on most teams, but a decent 3rd liner player on around 14 teams in the league. Maatta simply is not nearly as good as de haan when healthy.

Everything else you said I agree with.

May 27, 2020 at 1:28 a.m.

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Quoting: ChiHawk

I don’t know if I agree with that. Maatta has a really good season this year, contributed a little bit everywhere and that added up for him. There are things De Haan does better than Maatta for sure. Without a doubt, he’s more physical, which is advantageous in a number of ways. If that’s what you mean by “another level better,” then sure, De Haan is better than Maatta. But when I look at Maatta’s overall impact, whether it’s GAR, expected goals, Corsi, whatever, he’s edging De Haan out and that’s with well over half of his faceoffs being taken outside the offensive zone. In fairness, De Haan probably got put up against better competition (I recall him playing with Keith before he got hurt), which shows a higher level of trust from the coaching stuff in him and perhaps a better reputation, but his poorer results, combined with Maatta’s more positive ones says to me that that gap between the two is shrinking significantly.

Maybe this is just my way of saying De Haan is overrated (which I think is unfair, I still think he’s very good) but I just think that the two are closer in effectiveness than it perhaps perceived

May 27, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.

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I think De Haan gets moved over Maatta for a few reasons :
1. Maatta has a cheaper buyout so we dont have to scramble to find anyone to dump him on if we are at the cap next offseason
2. In terms of what he can bring back, I think we could probably get a 2nd or a middle prospect for De Haan, for Maatta I would expect a 3rd rounder or less because of the stigma around him being slow as molasses, but I personally think he is probably of similar value
3. Nobody knows how long that shoulder is going to hold up for until it breaks again and how long he would be out for after the next injury, so if we could get some value back before that happens, its a win to me, especially if we dont plan on contending next season

Overall, I think GAR can be slightly misleading and that De Haan is definitely better than Maatta, but I do not think the difference is as wide as people think. In an ideal world, we are contending next season and I keep both of them, but it is more likely than not that we arent, so I think I would sell De Haan to the highest bidder

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May 27, 2020 at 11:16 p.m.

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Quoting: SlickWilly

I appreciate the other perspective and I think that thats a totally valid argument. Like I said, if both are healthy and playing in their appropriate roles, I don't think you can go wrong with keeping either

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