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Small Cap Problem

Created by: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Team: 2020-21 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: May 26, 2020
Published: May 27, 2020
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If Tampa signs every to slight discounts they would still be 10M+ over the cap running a 21 man roster.

Basically the only people Tampa can trade are Point, Vasilevsky and their 3 RFAs and a small chance to trade Killorn.

If Tampa could only keep one RFA I'd definitely pick Sergachev but I don't even know if they can afford him...
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$6,000,000
3$5,000,000
3$3,000,000
1$700,000
1$700,000
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$92,491,666$0$500,000-$10,991,666
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, C, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,166,666$5,166,666
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
G
UFA - 8
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$700,000$700,000
LW
UFA - 2

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May 27, 2020 at 1:22 a.m.
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They can waive Palat, Johnson, Killorn or Mcdonagh! They would lose them for nothing but that would be a option. If they refuse to waive their clause.
May 27, 2020 at 1:24 a.m.
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They can waive Palat, Johnson, Killorn or Mcdonagh! They would lose them for nothing but that would be a option. If they refuse to waive their clause.


I don't think Johnson gets claimed... But I get your point.

That would be so painful.
May 27, 2020 at 1:45 a.m.
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They can waive Palat, Johnson, Killorn or Mcdonagh! They would lose them for nothing but that would be a option. If they refuse to waive their clause.


they can't waive Mcdonagh. That would be a disaster for the team. They just signed him. What would everyone else think of they did that. No FA would agree to a discount for TB ever again.
May 27, 2020 at 2:01 a.m.
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they can't waive Mcdonagh. That would be a disaster for the team. They just signed him. What would everyone else think of they did that. No FA would agree to a discount for TB ever again.


Calm down jesus christ! That was just figure of speech to show that Tampa have other option. Players will be ask to wiave their trade clauses before ending on waivers. Pas besoin de souiller ton calbute.
May 27, 2020 at 6:38 a.m.
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Sure they can waive those players. But don't know if any team puts in a claim due to the term of those contracts for McDonagh for six years, Johnson for for years and or even Palat for two years.
Killorn would be snapped up. But any team that would be suitable for these NTC players have cap issues to and would have to return cap to the Tampa, which doesn't help the cap situation in Tampa that much.
May 27, 2020 at 7:24 a.m.
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I think at least 2 of those RFAs are gone from Tampa.
May 27, 2020 at 10:58 a.m.
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I don't think Johnson gets claimed... But I get your point.

That would be so painful.


Pretty sure Yzerman would claim Johnson in a heartbeat, He'd be a great 2C for us if we're still fortunate to draft Alexis Lafreniere. Lafreniere-Johnson-Zadina could be a deadly 2nd line.
May 27, 2020 at 10:58 a.m.
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I don't think Johnson gets claimed... But I get your point.

That would be so painful.


Pretty sure Yzerman would claim Johnson in a heartbeat, He'd be a great 2C for us if we're still fortunate to draft Alexis Lafreniere. Lafreniere-Johnson-Zadina could be a deadly 2nd line.
May 27, 2020 at 12:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Sebybbq
Calm down jesus christ! That was just figure of speech to show that Tampa have other option. Players will be ask to wiave their trade clauses before ending on waivers. Pas besoin de souiller ton calbute.


I don't think you get how this works. When you treat players you ASKED to take less because you pay less taxes like your word doesn't matter. Then don't expect anyone else to take your word going forward.
So you can look at the guys you have to sign this year. And this idea that they will tax a discount because, FL has lower taxes....and they are directly looking at what happened to the guys before them.
Don't think they aren't saying to themselves. Why would I do that when I just watched you screw over player X. After all, they could be next.
May 27, 2020 at 1:13 p.m.
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Edited May 27, 2020 at 3:55 p.m. by F50marco
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I don't think you get how this works. When you treat players you ASKED to take less because you pay less taxes like your word doesn't matter. Then don't expect anyone else to take your word going forward.
So you can look at the guys you have to sign this year. And this idea that they will tax a discount because, FL has lower taxes....and they are directly looking at what happened to the guys before them.
Don't think they aren't saying to themselves. Why would I do that when I just watched you screw over player X. After all, they could be next.




Hockey is a business and if they had to waive a guy to keep their core together make it sure they will. I don’t think you get how this work.
May 27, 2020 at 1:19 p.m.
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tears of joy tears of joy and you are the one who know all about everything i have forgot about it. You are the most pretentious dude around here.

Hockey is a business and if they had to waive a guy to keep their core together make it sure they will. I don’t think you get how this work.




Yes hockey is a business. It's not a question of waiving a guy. It's a question of keeping your word. You can't sit across the table from a player and his agent and say, yes trust us, take a lower cap hit, it's fair taxes and all......and then screw guys out of it in front of them. That does not work.
It's A BUSINESS as you say. Screwing your business partners tends to mean you have no future partners.
It's not rocket science to figure that out.
May 27, 2020 at 1:55 p.m.
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speaking of pretentious you spoke again.

Yes hockey is a business. It's not a question of waiving a guy. It's a question of keeping your word. You can't sit across the table from a player and his agent and say, yes trust us, take a lower cap hit, it's fair taxes and all......and then screw guys out of it in front of them. That does not work.
It's A BUSINESS as you say. Screwing your business partners tends to mean you have no future partners.
It's not rocket science to figure that out.


And how you explain buyout ??? Or trade?? Explain me how this happen if feeling is involved in their decision making. Let go smart boy tell me what difference it have. If a players is paid like a 25 goal scorer and score 18 a season the players haven’t respect is engagement? That pure bullshat, it a business and decision are not make with feeling. So yes Hockey is a business and yes it a question of Waiving a guy or trading him or whatever it have to be done to be successful.
Andrew Ladd, Wade Redden, Alzner just to name a few was waive even after signing lucrative contract no one gave a shat. It a business
May 27, 2020 at 3:05 p.m.
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And how you explain buyout ??? Or trade?? Explain me how this happen if feeling is involved in their decision making. Let go smart boy tell me what difference it have. If a players is paid like a 25 goal scorer and score 18 a season the players haven’t respect is engagement? That pure bullshat, it a business and decision are not make with feeling. So yes Hockey is a business and yes it a question of Waiving a guy or trading him or whatever it have to be done to be successful.
Andrew Ladd, Wade Redden, Alzner just to name a few was waive even after signing lucrative contract no one gave a shat. It a business


no one mentioned buyout at all, only you.
And players sitting across a table don't give a rats ass what some other player did.
If they wanted to take less money than what they can get else where, and be in the same tax bracket than they'd do that.
But they don't. They sign for less knowing they aren't trade-able and that they won't have to pay that higher tax rate.
Period.
It's business, it's money, and it's the players money you are talking about. You just don't have the common sense to figure it out.
It's no different than trading a college FA right after they sign a deal with a team. You don't do it. Because you won't ever get another one again.
Teams have reputations just like players. When people think a team is no good, can't keep it's word, etc.... they aren't going to play no crap with them.
So good luck trying to convince your new crop of RFA to take a lower deal for the team, because the taxes are lower. When they just watched you screw guys out of the same F deal you are trying to convince them to take. Business works that way bud. It's not one sided.
 
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