Don't think I'd want to pay that much for Labanc in a trade or in salary.

Your underpaying for Labanc in the trade and overpaying for him in salary sharks decline and keep one of their core young players.

Kevin Leblanc

You wont get a CBO with a flat cap.

I think San Jose definitely takes that

That 2nd would likely become a 1st as long as Labanc doesn't suffer a major injury. He would have got about 35 points this season if all 82 games. He's also pretty young and is still improving plus everyone on San Jose had a down year. He did just get 56 a season ago.

Labanc is a good, young player. But he's never scored 20 goals and is a career .5 PPG player. His perceived value is higher than his actual value. You're getting a good goalie. A good, young forward who's ceiling is a little lower than Labanc's, and multiple picks (with one likely being a 1st). Seems fair to me.

Louis LeBlanc

They probably don't WANT to move him considering how thin they are on the right, but he'll probably take them to arbitration and that can leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth, plus he's like their only tradeable asset if they want to improve their team (other than Meier and Hertl, but it makes significantly less sense to move those guys)

It’s a fair deal. However the sharks aren’t in a cap situation at all. In fact we have room to help other teams

I don’t think you want Louis Leblanc. He hasn’t played hockey in 4 years.

Labanc’s value is his passing and vision Over his goal scoring ability. He has a good shoot And I’d Judge his ceiling is Somewhere around 25 goals 75 points. You can’t grade him on his past since he is only 24, you have to grade him on his talent and prospects going forward take this year out of the equation since the whole team sucked bad and look at his 3 previous years and you see steady quality improvement. The other issue With this trade is Murray showed poor last year and we can’t afford another contract with a goalie who lets us down (see Jones) and to boot we are desperately thin at RW and giving him up leaves us with no top 9 RW on the team. We have 2-4 bottom pairing RW in the minors but that’s it.
Your value isn’t bad but your taking our best player at our 2nd weakest position and your offering is a possible suspect player at our most weakest position!!! And you can’t argue that because why else would you be offering a 2 time cup winning goal who is 26 years old if you guys didn’t feel the same way I do.
If this trade was Labanc for Jarry and 2nd I’d be game but then I highly think you guys pass.

Leave it to shark fans to think this is a fair deal.
Penguins hang up the phone. It's not even close. In 4 years, the guy hasn't even cracked 20 goals and you guys act like he's a 30 goal guy collecting 1st round picks.
Hell no. He's not even worth Murray.

He won't make more than 3.5.
Which is the basic going rate for 20 goal guys of which he is not.
My guess is his salary is in the 2.5 to 3 range. Arbitration or not

Salary isn't really why they'll probably move him, it's the fact that in arbitration you have to go before a third party and listen to your team trash you.

Just before last offseason the athletic ran a story that 21 of 27 players in the last ten years were shipped out from their teams after arbitration. I know it's at least one 22 of 28 now, because Joel Edmundson was shipped off the Blues a few weeks after losing his arbitration case late last summer. Trouba, Ceci, Hoffman, and Tatar are other examples.

If Labanc makes it to arbitration, there's a good chance he gets moved soon after.

while that maybe, the point here is that he's not worth the amount people on here are suggesting he is. There are a slew of players that have signed recently with similar stats that prove this.
Frankly, I don't think you have to "trash" him to make this point. Simply pointing out contracts on guys like Rust and Kapanen make your argument.
There is no need to bash the guy to get there.

Well, then I don't know why you decided to respond to me because that point doesn't really have anything to do with what I was saying. I was saying that if he reaches arbitration, regardless of what the salary ends up being, he'll probably be moved because players who go through arbitration often get moved anyway, and he's one of the few tradeable assets a win-now team that just missed a 24 team playoff has to improve themselves.




Yeah, but then Labanc would just say "not only did those guys put up the same numbers as me on better teams (with both players occasionally playing with elite centers), Rust's contract was signed two years ago at 3.5 million (probably not all that much less than what he'll ask for), while Kapanen is underpaid since he didn't have arbitration rights when his contract was signed", all of which is true even though it doesn't necessarily say why Labanc should get paid. It's tough to win an arbitration case based solely on comparables because, unlike in normal negotiations when certain contracts can "set the market" and both agents and GMs are aware of that, arbitrators don't care, they've only got like 48 hours to get this thing done.

Of course, I'm being a bit hyperbolic when I say "trash", I'm not saying someone's going in there and being like "Kevin Labanc is a terrible hockey player, he's not a good member of this team, he has no work ethic". But, players have to sit there and hear exactly why a team doesn't think they are worth as much money as they are, that's an inherent part of the process. And while maybe that's not "trashing" per say, that can be difficult for players to hear, and everyone perceives criticism differently, especially when it could cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars.

There's other factors too- if the player wins arbitration, the team simply might not have the cap space to afford him. Arbitration contracts are usually for only one year, so there's the impending sense that these guys have to do it all over again in a year and they'd rather just not. Idk, it's not like I'm an expert in NHL arbitration, literally all I was saying is that if he goes to arbitration, there's a good chance he gets moved after that, because usually they do.

I get what you are saying I just think when dealing with a team and lawyers it's not as bad a "criticism" as you are talking about. They know how to be "pc" about things.
I think those conversations are more comparables than the actual player. That's just my sense. I have never sat in out obviously. But I have negotiated contracts with employees before. And you don't really justify it that way, even though you might be thinking it. There is a real pc aspect to the business world.

Most players don't make it to arbitration for the very reasons you just mentioned. Mainly term. So I don't think it's a huge issue.
Most can usually look at the comparable and figure it out before hand. Which is my sense here. I think the 4.75 price tag is high. That's just me. There are a lot of examples of guys with similar stats making less on many teams. A lot of them on recent contracts.

I mean, you would hope they would be pc about such things, but the NHL front offices are mostly incompetent and that's not always how it goes: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/gloves-come-off-during-arbitration/article587254/. There's also the infamous story of Mike Milbury making a player cry in his arbitration case. Agents have come out and said they can get angry during arbitration. Like, it happens. "Professionalism" in the NHL really isn't like professionalism in other parts of the business world.

And your point that "most can usually look at the comparable and figure it out before hand" - I think that's exactly what GMs think when a player files for arbitration. "Why does this guy not just look at Kapanen and Rust and realize that's what he's worth instead of wasting our time with this?". There's a lot of ways for it to get antagonistic.

The people who think he's worth 4.75 million are, of course, wrong, no arguments here on that. I think he gets between 3.25 and 3.75 on a three year deal, that deal just isn't with the Sharks.

,... but the NHL front offices are mostly incompetent
LOL